Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 6:46 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200: >> ... >> @Dieter: participate or be silent. You are member of the Zope community >> for years, you are member of the Zope Foundation as a committer member. >> Such statements are at most laughable based on your record of your >> active contributions to the Zope community and the active participation >> within the Zope community. > > In a private email, Andreas has threadened to exclude me from the > Zope mailing lists -- apparently to get me silent forcefully > when I do not obey. Learn to read and translate. The German text says that some committer are no longer interested in your ongoing ranting. In fact I tried to explain to other committers to take you as you are for a very long time. But the patience is over at some point. And the message does not contain any thread from MY side about throwing you from the list. I only said that I would no longer veto against it. > For me, this looks like dictatorship tendencies start to grow and > are soon embracing censorship. Re-read what Jens wrote some time ago about "Only those who participate". Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkni6kYACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyoEgCg6NT5gtLgorxpx54SqadM+/E5 NUIAoLUdQbiQQq5wxOplV5OE2fCeaPad =B1yM -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 6:29 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200: >> >> @Dieter: participate or be silent. > > I do not obey your orders. > > You are Zope 2 release manager and part of the > Foundation board -- but you do not have command power over things outside > the Zope 2 release management and the foundation. > > Thus, I will participate in the way I have participated so far (i.e > outside the circles controlled by the current Zope developers). > And I will not be silent but continue to criticize tendencies that > make Zope a less reliable platform for long living applications. As an open-source community we must not accept counter-productive and destructive participation. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkni620ACgkQCJIWIbr9KYylGQCgucaj2Sx1UsPjRRp2ugJJx2DP /aUAnixLmfZCl7ZDYY7uOUwrItcqmHVX =g85K -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Hi there, this is an email I wanted to write for several times in the past. I find it very sad, that grown up people that are extremely knowledgeable and the source of lots of incredibly helpful advice *nobody* else seems to be able or willing to give, contributers of a wealth of tools the whole zope community would be worse off without, do not have the the *maturity* to withheld their personal animosity. if I would be their papa, I would threaten to smack their buts! I would hate not to hear any of the well founded, albeit controversial opinions some of us feel committed to share at times. Its a funny democracy that only accepts divers forms of yes. *And doomed to fail*. however I loath the stupid bickering that springs up as soon as any of a couple of contributers deign not to be of the same opinion. Grow up! robert ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
I'm dutch and have had a decent education and therefore do understand german as well. I am not sure what this is all about, but 'ob man Dich nicht von den Listen werfen sollte' sounds to me like "whether you should not be removed from the list". I cannot take that as anything else than a threat, may be not from you personally, but nevertheless a threat. I am a part of the silent majority that uses Zope 2 and happily so. I am willing to keep up with new developments, but have not much time to learn new tricks of the trade. Discussions like this one make me fear that in the near future I will have to investigate other solutions. cb -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: zope-boun...@zope.org [mailto:zope-boun...@zope.org] Namens Andreas Jung Verzonden: maandag 13 april 2009 9:31 Aan: Dieter Maurer CC: Chris Withers; zope@zope.org Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 6:46 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200: >> ... >> @Dieter: participate or be silent. You are member of the Zope >> community for years, you are member of the Zope Foundation as a committer member. >> Such statements are at most laughable based on your record of your >> active contributions to the Zope community and the active >> participation within the Zope community. > > In a private email, Andreas has threadened to exclude me from the Zope > mailing lists -- apparently to get me silent forcefully when I do not > obey. Learn to read and translate. The German text says that some committer are no longer interested in your ongoing ranting. In fact I tried to explain to other committers to take you as you are for a very long time. But the patience is over at some point. And the message does not contain any thread from MY side about throwing you from the list. I only said that I would no longer veto against it. > For me, this looks like dictatorship tendencies start to grow and are > soon embracing censorship. Re-read what Jens wrote some time ago about "Only those who participate". Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkni6kYACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyoEgCg6NT5gtLgorxpx54SqadM+/E5 NUIAoLUdQbiQQq5wxOplV5OE2fCeaPad =B1yM -END PGP SIGNATURE- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
This kind of actitude is what doing me and other like me stop to participate to this list and I hope soon left Zope as a good tool without future Andreas your actutide and your way make some of others seek at other technologies Is you who could be silent if you can't be gentle You think that you are God but you are only one as others, I don't see why your opinion is better thant Dieter's or mine or other's The real thing is that you and other like you are killing Zope community, take note, man You need some listening course. Here we are human beings not machines like you who know everything and never make mistakes Sorry, man, we make mistakes and we sometimes seem stupid, in spanish we said: quien tiene boca se equivoca (who have mouth make mistakes) I appreciate your help everysingle time you give me but if it's needed to hear you saying how wrong I am or how stupid I am... 2009/4/13 Dieter Maurer > Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200: > > > >@Dieter: participate or be silent. > > I do not obey your orders. > > You are Zope 2 release manager and part of the > Foundation board -- but you do not have command power over things outside > the Zope 2 release management and the foundation. > > Thus, I will participate in the way I have participated so far (i.e > outside the circles controlled by the current Zope developers). > And I will not be silent but continue to criticize tendencies that > make Zope a less reliable platform for long living applications. > > > -- > Dieter > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > -- Mis Cosas http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito Zope Smart Manager http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito/670 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
- Chris, I rarely agree with you but I actually like your fearless and provocative bashing for the sake (hopefully) of stirring up some action. - Andreas, you've done a great job with Zope but let's raise the bar and not pass judgement on peoples opinions (especially not my personal hero Dieter :) - Andrew, I agree with very much of what you say. Just because Zope2 has flaws doesn't mean we should trash and burn it. - Dieter, glad to hear it wasn't just me who had problems "keeping up" with the backwards incompatible improvements. You seem like a guy who's more in it for the results than the method. Long live DTML! 2009/4/13 Andreas Jung : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 13.04.2009 6:29 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: >> Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200: >>> >>> @Dieter: participate or be silent. >> >> I do not obey your orders. >> >> You are Zope 2 release manager and part of the >> Foundation board -- but you do not have command power over things outside >> the Zope 2 release management and the foundation. >> >> Thus, I will participate in the way I have participated so far (i.e >> outside the circles controlled by the current Zope developers). >> And I will not be silent but continue to criticize tendencies that >> make Zope a less reliable platform for long living applications. > > > As an open-source community we must not accept counter-productive and > destructive participation. > > Andreas > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkni620ACgkQCJIWIbr9KYylGQCgucaj2Sx1UsPjRRp2ugJJx2DP > /aUAnixLmfZCl7ZDYY7uOUwrItcqmHVX > =g85K > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Zope maillist - z...@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] SSL/https
Right, sorry. Here you go: Zope Version (Zope 2.6.2 (binary release, python 2.1, win32-x86), python 2.1.3, win32) Python Version 2.1.3 (#35, Apr 8 2002, 17:47:50) [MSC 32 bit (Intel)] System Platform win32 - Catherine E. Reinehr Webmaster & Director of Publications Huntingdon College 1500 E. Fairview Ave. Montgomery, AL 36106 (334) 833-4429 / Flowers 218B From: David Bear [mailto:david.b...@asu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:44 PM To: crein...@huntingdon.edu Cc: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] SSL/https memories are short. you need to remind us the exact configuration. Are you using apache to front end zope? On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Catherine E. Reinehr wrote: Good morning, You might remember my asking for help last month with generating a CSR and installing an SSL certificate. I did get that done, and now I have a new problem. If I replace "http://"; with "https://"; in the address, I get a file not found error. What do I need to do to make sure our application for admission is secure? I'm sort of out of my league here. Thanks for whatever help you can give me :) Cat - Catherine E. Reinehr Webmaster & Director of Publications Huntingdon College 1500 E. Fairview Ave. Montgomery, AL 36106 (334) 833-4429 / Flowers 218B ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- David Bear College of Public Programs at ASU 602-464-0424 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] SSL/https
So you are not using apache or IIS to front end zope in order to provide the ssl/tls transport. I know there was a project to provide native tls for zope -- but I don't think you will find that it is wide spread. You might take a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/lerouxa/zopehttps/infoand http://sandbox.rulemaker.net/ngps/zope/zssl/ search zope.org basically returns info about m2crypt and using apache to front end zope. I think the best supported option will be to front end zope with apache or iis. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Catherine E. Reinehr < crein...@huntingdon.edu> wrote: > Right, sorry. Here you go: > > > > Zope Version (Zope 2.6.2 (binary release, python 2.1, > win32-x86), python 2.1.3, win32) > > Python Version 2.1.3 (#35, Apr 8 2002, 17:47:50) [MSC 32 > bit (Intel)] > > System Platform win32 > > > > - > > > > Catherine E. Reinehr > > Webmaster & Director of Publications > > Huntingdon College > > 1500 E. Fairview Ave. > > Montgomery, AL 36106 > > (334) 833-4429 / Flowers 218B > > > > *From:* David Bear [mailto:david.b...@asu.edu] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:44 PM > *To:* crein...@huntingdon.edu > *Cc:* zope@zope.org > *Subject:* Re: [Zope] SSL/https > > > > memories are short. you need to remind us the exact configuration. Are you > using apache to front end zope? > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Catherine E. Reinehr < > crein...@huntingdon.edu> wrote: > > Good morning, > > You might remember my asking for help last month with generating a CSR and > installing an SSL certificate. I did get that done, and now I have a new > problem. If I replace "http://"; with "https://"; in the address, I get a > file not found error. What do I need to do to make sure our application > for > admission is secure? I'm sort of out of my league here. > > > Thanks for whatever help you can give me :) > Cat > > - > > Catherine E. Reinehr > Webmaster & Director of Publications > Huntingdon College > 1500 E. Fairview Ave. > Montgomery, AL 36106 > (334) 833-4429 / Flowers 218B > > > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > > > -- > David Bear > College of Public Programs at ASU > 602-464-0424 > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > -- David Bear College of Public Programs at ASU 602-464-0424 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ERROR ZODB.Connection Couldn't load state for 0x04
Zope 2.9.7 Apparently, I've done something bad and created "cross database reference". At least, that's what I gather from googling the ZODB error. I have 3 filesystem storages. One contains a ZCatalog that references objects in the other. Is this the cause of the error? I can't start zope now - how can I recover from this? 2009-04-13 10:46:24 ERROR ZODB.Connection Couldn't load state for 0x04 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/zope/zope_2_9_7/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py", line 732, in setstate self._setstate(obj) File "/home/zope/zope_2_9_7/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py", line 786, in _setstate self._reader.setGhostState(obj, p) File "/home/zope/zope_2_9_7/lib/python/ZODB/serialize.py", line 617, in setGhostState obj.__setstate__(state) AttributeError: keys ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 14:28 Uhr, Garito wrote: > > The real thing is that you and other like you are killing Zope > community, take note, man Before you make such nonsense statements, please step up and show your engagement in the Zope community e.g. by contributing to it. There are lots of low hanging fruits for showing your engagement e.g. the Zope 2 relaunch project (announced and blogged several times about it). People having expectations like there will be some dorks doing the dirty community work like maintaining software and websites can kill a community. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknjh2IACgkQCJIWIbr9KYy/iQCdFl/DnX4DyhkfCcqX7JAVM1ht XMQAn1LWRP590dfzB50UvtVtoJSGe3P2 =c66e -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 11:33 Uhr, robert rottermann wrote: > Hi there, > this is an email I wanted to write for several times in the past. > > I find it very sad, that grown up people that are extremely knowledgeable and > the source of lots of incredibly helpful advice *nobody* else seems to be able > or willing to give, contributers of a wealth of tools the whole zope community > would be worse off without, do not have the the *maturity* to withheld their > personal animosity. This is not about personal animosity - this is soley about contributing to Zope. It is highly discouraging for the small number of people that currently maintain Zope 2 and work on the next Zope release having to read Zope being a dictatorship and getting accused subliminally doing most things wrong by a highly skilled contributor constantly refusing making contributions to the Zope core or taking over initiative or showing responsiblity within the Zope community. Such comments and allegations are not adequate when you have in mind that people like Hanno, Lennard and myself spend a lot of personal and company time and money visiting conferences, sprints in order to discuss and work things out. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknjg40ACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyMBACfXDUVCK6rl9PduYF9q6vJ2j3R W+MAoOxOFZYMIAkx/VHEISFa6EhFBzX0 =SQIO -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 11:56 Uhr, Kees de Brabander wrote: > >> For me, this looks like dictatorship tendencies start to grow and are >> soon embracing censorship. There is neither dictatorship nor censorship. Only those that participate and contribute in an active way to the Zope community (there are lots of possibilities) can steer and take influence. An open-source project is neither a dictatorship nor democracy nor an anarchy - a project lives from what each community member contributes to it. The only purpose of measures appearing as dictatorship is bringing the project forward. Obviously it seems to be unpopular taking over the ruder in the same cases but it seems to be the only chance keeping thing going. If you are interested in the future of Zope then please accept that some people drive the project forward. We don't like being shot into the back from the community for taking over responsibility. We all accept critic - as long as it is constructive. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknjj+oACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyTGQCgzrCzkaX2yx8B+6aeghY9NiaK bHwAnjcNNfYZmNK6et8cC6E+mZHzYG/g =KD6A -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
First, I wrote something completely different. Second, it seems to me that, in the end, an open source project like zope proves its reason for existence by the number of people using it, and not by the number of people contributing (though if I could, I would be delighted to contribute). Third, I would like to refer to what I did write. Fourth, what is meant by 'constructive' and who decides that? cb -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andreas Jung [mailto:li...@zopyx.com] Verzonden: maandag 13 april 2009 21:18 Aan: Kees de Brabander CC: 'Dieter Maurer'; 'Chris Withers'; zope@zope.org Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 11:56 Uhr, Kees de Brabander wrote: > >> For me, this looks like dictatorship tendencies start to grow and are >> soon embracing censorship. There is neither dictatorship nor censorship. Only those that participate and contribute in an active way to the Zope community (there are lots of possibilities) can steer and take influence. An open-source project is neither a dictatorship nor democracy nor an anarchy - a project lives from what each community member contributes to it. The only purpose of measures appearing as dictatorship is bringing the project forward. Obviously it seems to be unpopular taking over the ruder in the same cases but it seems to be the only chance keeping thing going. If you are interested in the future of Zope then please accept that some people drive the project forward. We don't like being shot into the back from the community for taking over responsibility. We all accept critic - as long as it is constructive. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknjj+oACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyTGQCgzrCzkaX2yx8B+6aeghY9NiaK bHwAnjcNNfYZmNK6et8cC6E+mZHzYG/g =KD6A -END PGP SIGNATURE- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 21:00 Uhr, Kees de Brabander wrote: > First, I wrote something completely different. Sorry, appearently I made a mistake in quoting the postings. > Second, it seems to me that, in the end, an open source project like zope > proves its reason for existence by the number of people using it, and not by > the number of people contributing (though if I could, I would be delighted > to contribute). People won't use a software appearing dead. So it lives from contributions and further development. > Fourth, what is meant by 'constructive' and who decides that? Constructive critic shows up alternatives, critic formulated as a rant does not. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknjm3cACgkQCJIWIbr9KYwZzACglaPx+DBPSz0vlfqm1hbYrBwE EtAAnj8nMPNGSJjb8lm8MCLFSXjif+M3 =qwC8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Did you think that I'm considering myself part of these comunity? Since the first time I wrote here you are telling me that I'm wrong even if you don't know a word of what I'm doing Did you think that I have good opinion about Zope, at this time, to contribute? I make a contribution that no one except Tim Nash make any kind of comment (thanks again Tim!) By now I only use Plone at work for money not for passion and I make things by money or by passion What kind of contribution do you think someone needs to do to be respected? Something that you think it was useful or something that the contruibutor thinks it was? Perhaps if you know how to hear you could think that ZSM (or other products) will be interessat for the Zope community But you choose what you choose This is what do open source big: you could be agree with a community or you can make your own way I choose the tools I'm using because they are great ideas AND has a good people how wants to help and wants to be a community Zope is a great idea, with people how wants to help except when they don't understand what are you doing and you don't say nothing about the future of your investment (and yes we are investing like you our time and money with something that you create, we are confiding our lives to you movements. Perhaps in other communities they think that this is quite important) do you want that everyone contribute here? Well, respect us and don't think we are as stupids to talk to us like you are 2009/4/13 Andreas Jung > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 13.04.2009 14:28 Uhr, Garito wrote: > > > > > The real thing is that you and other like you are killing Zope > > community, take note, man > > Before you make such nonsense statements, please step up and show > your engagement in the Zope community e.g. by contributing to it. > There are lots of low hanging fruits for showing your engagement e.g. > the Zope 2 relaunch project (announced and blogged several times about > it). People having expectations like there will be some dorks doing the > dirty community work like maintaining software and websites can kill a > community. > > Andreas > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAknjh2IACgkQCJIWIbr9KYy/iQCdFl/DnX4DyhkfCcqX7JAVM1ht > XMQAn1LWRP590dfzB50UvtVtoJSGe3P2 > =c66e > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > -- Mis Cosas http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito Zope Smart Manager http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito/670 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Database Adapter For Windows DB
Hi, I'm running Zope on a Linux box and need to connect to a Window's SQL Server machine. Which Zope's DB Adapter should I use? Thanks. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andreas, On feb 28 you sent this private email to me as a part of a thread about sqlite: >Hopefully you won't release your trash to the public :-) >- -aj Andreas, please keep up the great work but take a break every now and then. I appreciated your advice, but not that email because you clearly weren't just "joking", it was the only private email you have ever sent me (other than a *shrug*). You are a representative of Zope, please "raise the bar" as Peter says. I really doubt that anyone wants Dieter cut off from this list. Dieter's contributions over the years are thoughtful and well written. If you cut him off from this list, take me off as well. It looks like zope is at an inflection point. Zope2 and Zope 3 seem closer than ever. Lennart has discussed a good plan for going forward. His reasoning is positive and clear. We can all be idiots (including me) or we can build with this group and this opportunity. Thanks! -- Tim Nash Lead Developer http://www.sanmateowaveforms.com Zope/Plone: distribute your web applications as desktop applications. Installs on mac and windows with one click. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Database Adapter For Windows DB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 23:33 Uhr, Bobby wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running Zope on a Linux box and need to connect to a Window's SQL Server > machine. Which Zope's DB Adapter should I use? Thanks. mxODBC - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknkK5gACgkQCJIWIbr9KYxwSwCeNGeygGhPPfcRtT3f1/fvRcEr sKUAoKoU8l49M4OSNhtFFaNnNYQhPvMw =tOvV -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.04.2009 22:15 Uhr, Garito wrote: > > do you want that everyone contribute here? Well, respect us and don't > think we are as stupids to talk to us like you are Very encouraging for continuing my Zope 2 relaunch project. You are once again throwing stones at people doing the work for you and the community. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknkML0ACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyxNgCguebp/awnKpJGxrHg/wcuDoiJ 8rsAnipQ3B2IZb8BZeJjL74oPCGFwA8/ =9eOy -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
