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Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra
I do share some of the point of views, especially in regards to bad marketing about Zopes future versions and lack of documentation. I don't share the criticism on ZPT/TAL - actually I love Page Templates and the approach to templating it brought to the web world. Chameleon is one of my favourite templating engines around. Descriping Zope as mature is what I think fits best at the moment. Personally, I don't think Zope2 and a limited set of quite good Products is anywhere near dying - it's just not widely spread in the media but still I happen to come across many projects that work with the ZMS CMS for example where you don't expect it. My practical experience at least for the last 2-3 years was extremely positive about Zope2. We did not have any project where Zope2 was not able to do what was needed and do it well, too. Even some external coders were surprised about the flexiblity and extensibility. I'm not saying Zope2 and especially ZMS (which is our primary CMS products beeing used) fits every project, but we never ran into any trouble and weren't able to do the job. I did do some jobs with Pyramid and the development time and performance was (at least with our limited projects) about the same. Btw, we never really used neither the ZMI nor the TTWE functions really (close to never at all). For the last years we're working with our own Cocoa+python based MacOS app that uses WebDAV + FTP for local syncing and things like compass/sass integration. This is insanely fast despite the protocols (and thanks to local development setups and SSDs nowadays) and made us almost forget we're working inside the ZODB and not the local file system in the end. Using sockets we also sync down remote changes inside ZOPE locally almost instantly. It's a little bit like a FTP client on steriods ;-) Thank you all for your opinions and the open discussion. It's nice to hear about other people still using it in production despite its reputation ;-) Best Sebastian ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2
Am 6. März 2015 13:12:49 MEZ, schrieb Nico Grubert nicogrub...@yahoo.de: for future projects I look for new python based products. It would be really cool to get a new Zope Core Framework which offers Zope2 functionality for backward compatibility (like a Zope4) i.e. as a set of modules plus offers more modern concepts of web development to allow a soft migration / developement path for existing Zope2 apps / users / devels. yes, this might leave as a wish - but this are just my two cents herein... cheerioh, Niels. -- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT Internet http://www.syndicat.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2
I use Zope since around 2001 and I still have some Zope 2 web applications running and they are just rock-solid and easy to update. I have never been convinced by Zope 3 and I have never seen any advantages for using the Zope 3 techniques. The Zope 2 core developers (I think Andreas has worked for Zope Corporation) created a mature product - and I still love it for its flexibility and the speed of development once you understood the core concepts. However, web development has been changed in the past 10 years. But for future projects I look for new python based products.___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra
I use Zope since around 2001 and I still have some Zope 2 web applications running and they are just rock-solid and easy to update. I have never been convinced by Zope 3 and I have never seen any advantages for using the Zope 3 techniques. The Zope 2 core developers (I think Andreas has worked for Zope Corporation) created a mature product - and I still love it for its flexibility and the speed of development once you understood the core concepts. However, web development has been changed in the past 10 years. But for future projects I look for new python based products. PS: Sorry, my former message can be deleted,I forgot to change the subject. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra
Nice discussion! I don't know about docs.zope.org, but I'll just add a status update on the zope wikis, which held quite a lot of historical and reference information. They used to be hosted by Zope Corp or maybe Zope Foundation, they went dark a few years back and no-one complained, more recently Fred Drake sent me a snapshot of their content, I forgot about it for a while, now I should probably revive and host them in read-only mode, as soon as I find a tuit. If anyone else would like to work on it sooner, just let me know. Best -Simon ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra
I just ran into that a few days ago looking for documentation about the PUT_factory which has not been copied from the original documenation to the new one at http://docs.zope.org/zope2/. But: It still existed and took about 15 seconds to google it. Who's maintaining docs.zope.org/zope2 at the moment? I'd love to add partly missing stuff and complete stuff missing at all. Unfortunately these docs don't have a CMS behind. I already thought about porting them to a ZMS based site so editing and extending would be easier. Am 04.03.2015 um 12:35 schrieb Niels Dettenbach n...@syndicat.com: 3.) Zope documentation was partly very bad - at least when it comes to installation and system administration, updating etc.pp. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If it is not dead then call it a zombie...you know what I mean :) - -aj Jaroslav Lukesh wrote: Zope2 is not dead, it is mature product. I use it, I love it. Comunity is real small just now, because all what are discoverable, is discovered. Zope 2 download site is practically dead for many years, so more than 90% of products are not avaiable. This is the biggest problem because these products was very valuable, but now are in the limbus. There are no new products for Zope2 because comunity was ran to Zope3, which is impractical. The first big mistake is giving too much propagation to the ZPT/TAL technology which is absolutelly not good for the zope masses. The second big mistake is run out to the Zope3, which is totally different in the idea and many peoples are gone away to the Java, PHP etc. Regards, JL. - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Sebastian Tänzer s...@taenzer.me we're still developing websites using Zope2 + ZMS3 (www.zms-publishing.com) for years now and never ran into any real problems (compared to, let's say, Wordpress, typo3, Drupal etc. which had serious security problems over the years) and our clients are quite happy with ZMS. A few days ago on a barcamp the discussion lead to Zope and the usual comments, i.e. Zope is dead, I would not use that, Too complicated, Too old, Outdated, and so on. My personal opinion is, that Zope2 is still rock-solid and gets the job done. I've never heard of any serious issues compared to the big competitors from the PHP or Java world. I looked into Pyramid and Django for different projects and always came back to Zope2 itself. I did not ask that question for quite some time now as there was no reason. Sure, sometimes we get comments like never heard of it etc., but nothing serious. Still, are there any specific reasons (beside personal favors) not to use Zope2 anymore? Any reason not to use Zope2 + ZODB for new projects? Are other frameworks like flask, Django, pyramid etc. that much better compared to Zope? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) - -- Regards Andreas Jung andr...@andreas-jung.com about.me/andreasjung -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJU+XE1AAoJEADcfz7u4AZj9bkLv2Ltr9Oj8Pq/GJqdGyc3wwIH Sczno305EKAY2f7/YZFk9WFORFxcZlZYZPAWX9I5TgEN4GG5URFpQbxopxxrH3FD LchjbEBoAm3Ol2hebIlbwXBUBoEkQjSO1SogQM/982SYY+MrxkbQXuP82stycKRX //vqOBo5P0TwSV9Vp0QaX48x4zyu2cyHcD/UEnJpv/AqjAqXYzodd4Y6IdNrovCZ +ZL2wSo0asITZmhmSuhdqZHGotrABlFhFs82jOpbYL0N9chWlgTdjOnIL3qr1jO6 diqQFqtp+fwFOHrROzz/JjnzKogCAMeWUibnbJ/5pZnQsMZnNBimqcBGuRWQfys5 shff+keeldIvJ5XzmMXaZenhhVhVOuL1v7bnaqGLX3IRdfI1vG9Y3jusLTQET3Zr TziHKsOEVQGxBfhmQOEWjWO+0KxQ8AX+WgWyJHQFgEWJX1AfVMOCtQZLrjAW10bW fvvWGkVRp+AfmSJdyCkbvCro3TxPRiU= =ncgp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
