Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

[Jürgen Gmach]

I'd like to work on hosting the wiki information.


As I and my colleague just inherited a rather large Zope2 project, I'd 
really like to see - at least - the Zope 2 documentation to be kept up 
to date.


Regards,
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[Zope] Pack ZODB via cronjob without ZEO

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hello,

what is the current ( Zope Version: 2.13.21, python 2.7.9, linux2) 
recommend way to pack ZODB via cronjob/automatically given that we do 
not use ZEO.



Thank you in advance!
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Re: [Zope] Pack ZODB via cronjob without ZEO

[Jürgen Gmach]

what is the current ( Zope Version: 2.13.21, python 2.7.9, linux2)
recommend way to pack ZODB via cronjob/automatically given that we do
 not use ZEO.


You could trigger the pack through the ZMI using curl or wget.


Thank you!

curl --data "days:float=1" 
https://xxx:xxx@host/root/Control_Panel/Database/DB_NAME/manage_pack


Above code seems to do the trick!
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Re: [Zope] Plans for Zope 2 after Python 2.7 deadline

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Hi Jesus,

maybe you are not aware of it, but Zope 4 runs both on Python 2.7 and 
3.4+.


So, the recommended upgrade path would be something like this:
- update to the latest 2.13 version
- update to Zope 4 on Python 2
- update to Zope 4 on Python 3 (which makes ZODB conversion necessary)

I do not think there are fixed dates when support for old versions get 
dropped - ususally the Zope support is coupled to the Plone support - so 
if any supported Plone version needs a special Zope version, Zope gets 
supported.


You are definitely not on your own. There are Zope 4 sprints hosted by 
gocept (Halle/Saale, Germany), where you could take part, both 
contribute and learn about what to do. The next one is in May.

https://twitter.com/gocept/status/1082200091199524864

Also, if you cannot do the upgrade yourself, there are some companies 
out there which can do that for you.


There is quite some information out there about upgrade paths for Python 
software in general, but also especially for the Zope/Plone context 
(blog of gocept.net, starzel.de, https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/


There are only so and so many Zope developers out there, so I would not 
bet on a long term maintenance of 2.13.


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Re: [Zope] Announcement: Zope 4.0-final released

[Jürgen Gmach]

Am 2019-05-10 14:48, schrieb Michael Howitz:

To install the new version see the instructions for
either zc.buildout: 
http://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/INSTALL-buildout.html
or virtualenv/pip: 
http://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/INSTALL-virtualenv.html

or pipenv: https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/INSTALL-pipenv.html


There is a new URL for the installation documentation:
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/INSTALL.html

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Re: [Zope] Zope 4.0 successful installation- still missing editing features

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hi Giampiero,


Am I missing something? Do I have any other alternative of editing the
files trough ZMI?


while I would generally recommend a separate development and production 
environment, if you want to edit files on a server, you can always ssh 
into the server and use an editor like vim.


Also, VS Code supports remote development, that is you run VS Code on 
your local desktop or laptop and you can edit the code on the server, 
see

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview

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Re: [Zope] Zope 4 migration

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hi Michael,

we are all in the same boat with migrating old projects.

Although there is some pain, I am very happy that Zope is kept alive. Imagine 
you had to rewrite all Zope based applications from scratch.

There was an enormous effort from both the Zope and the Plone community to port 
it to Python 3.

In Python 2 you would use the `virtualenv` command to create a virtual 
environment
https://virtualenv.pypa.io/en/latest/

And yes, you can deploy Zope on Python 2 with buildout - that's how I run my 
app currently.

>I managed to install Zope 4 using pip and get an instance running with
>runwsgi. Now I am wondering how to stop it? How am I supposed to stop a
>running instance? There seems to be no command and no option in the GUI.

So, how did you start Zope?


As an advice - this list ist extremely low traffic, and I do not know how many 
Zope developers still read it.

There are two places where you usually get answers:
Either visit the Plone forum https://community.plone.org/ -> tag your question 
with "Zope"
or directly ask a question at github, for Zope e.g. 
https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope
or concerning your other question about zodbupdate at 
https://github.com/zopefoundation/zodbupdate

I'd go for the community forum first (except you think you found a bug).

Best,
Jürgen
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Re: [Zope] Developing 'products' for zope 4 and 5

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hi Kees,

in general the development for Zope 2 (latest version) and Zope 4 / 5 is not 
that much different. You have to read through the update notes. e.g. Chameleon 
is the new default template engine, some globals are no longer available, moved 
imports and so on.

As you correctly noted, the documentation is not completely up to date. There 
is just a lack of man power.

I suggest you try to follow the migration documentation ( 
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/migrations/zope4/index.html ).

If you encounter any problems, and you are able to solve them - report them 
back or update the documentation

If you cannot solve the problems yourself, don't hesitate to ask.

I recommend the https://community.plone.org/ forum - but try to ask some 
specialized questions - there is no "Zope 5 developer documentation" out there 
and just hidden from you.

You can also have a look at migrated products / packages.

If your application is a commercial one, you could hire someone to do the 
migration for you.

If the Python 3 thing is your problem, there is plenty of documentation out 
there, also from the Plone community:
https://docs.plone.org/manage/upgrading/version_specific_migration/upgrade_to_python3.html

By the way - these mailing lists are usually not used for those kind of 
questions, but almost only for announcements of new releases.

Best,
Jürgen


Von: Zope  im Auftrag von Kees de Brabander 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. April 2020 12:22
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; zope@zope.org Users 
Betreff: [Zope] Developing 'products' for zope 4 and 5

Hi,
I am trying to catch up with the innovation that zope has undergone (I still 
have an instance running under zope 2.10.9).
Is there any more extensive documentation on how to develop ‘products’ for zope 
4 and 5. In the Zope Developer’s Guide the chapter on Zope products simply 
starts with the remark that the document is currently being reviewed.
best, cb
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Re: [Zope] Tutorial for zope4

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Hi Miguel,

as you already noticed, a lot has changed in the last couple of years.

A couple of thoughts:

update
---
We have pretty good migration documentation, see here
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/migrations/index.html

db connections
-
I only make light use of zsqlmethod myself, but I cannot recall I had to change 
anything to make it work with Zope 4.

templates
---
Right, Chameleon is the way to go - if you need a transition time, you can (but 
you should NOT) use the old template engine, see here
https://jugmac00.github.io/blog/three-ways-to-get-into-trouble-or-welcome-back-pagetemplateengine/

tutorials
-
I am sorry. There are no uptodate tutorials I know of.

The best bet is to try to follow the existing tutorials, and when something 
does not work try to find out what is wrong and how to fix it, ideally update 
the documenation with a pull request, or if struggling, asking some detailed 
questions.


As of where to get help.
--

This list is pretty much only used to announce new releases - there are no more 
discussions here.

The best place to ask general questions is the https://community.plone.org/ 
forum - tag your questions with "Zope".

If you find a bug or want a new feature, you can use the github repositories of 
the Zope projects.

Best,
Jürgen

P.S.: One of the maintainers (icemac) hold a nice talk about migrating a huge 
Zope project to Python 3.

https://blog.gocept.com/2020/09/03/presentation-we-have-nearly-one-million-lines-of-python-2-code-in-production-and-now/
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Presentation: We have nearly one million lines of Python 2 code in production — 
and now? – gocept 
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ways to see the sun again – even for large code bases. This presentation 
contains a discussion of the possible ways and a success story. I…
blog.gocept.com


Von: Zope  im Auftrag von Miguel Beltran R. 

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Betreff: [Zope] Tutorial for zope4

Good morning list,Glad to be here again in the list and community

I used zope many years ago until version 2.13 and I want to update to the new 
version 4/5 but I have found that the Zope Book is not so useful to me as 
before.

I used to do me little systems all in the ZMI using pagetemplate, zsql method, 
postgresql, zserver, etc.

-Zserver was replaced in favor of waitress, no problem.
-pagetemplate is almost the same, but now use chameleon engine, no problem.
-zsqlmethod is not installed by default, I installed it using pip. The 
recommendation is to use zope.sqlalchemy. I dont know sqlalchemy and how to use 
it with zope 4/5. help here
-I tried to find the postgresql connector to zope 4 in pypi without success, 
even the ODBC connector I could not find it. how do I connect to a database?

Also, I saw that the Plone foundation have now the rights of Zope foundation. I 
wish them the best for his work.

do someone can recomend me a zope 4 tutorial for dummys?

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Re: [Zope] ExtFile/ExtImage compatibility with Zope 4/5?

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hey Jesus,

I will write a more extensive e-mail tomorrow, but as a starter...

Most Zope plugins are hosted now at https://github.com/zopefoundation

The best place to ask questions about Zope is the discussion board at 
https://community.plone.org/

Best,
Jürgen



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I am getting ready to migrate to Zope 4, and checking products I depends
massively on ExtFile/ExtImage. I wonder about the support of that
product or something similar.

Where are third-party Zope products hosted nowadays?

If this product is not supported/abandoned in Zope 4/5, would be people
interested in a fork maintained by me?

Could I ask here questions about "the modern way" of writing products
for current Zope? If not, who/where should I ask?

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Re: [Zope] ExtFile/ExtImage compatibility with Zope 4/5?

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hi Jesús,

> I am getting ready to migrate to Zope 4, and checking products I depends
> massively on ExtFile/ExtImage. I wonder about the support of that
> product or something similar.

I also inherited a Zope app, and successfully migrated it to Zope 4/5.

I guess I do not have to tell you the general way how to migrate an app to 
Python 3 (pyupgrade, six...).

So, some Zope specifics.

Zope 4 is a transition version, between Zope 2 (Python 2) and Zope 5 (Python 
3), as Zope 4 both supports Python 2 and 3.

As you already did, it is important to catalog all your used plugins and check 
whether they are still supported, can be replaced by core functionality or 
another plugin, or even need to be ported to Zope 4.

My inherited legacy app even had two similar plugins to your ExtFile one, 
namely ExternalFile and LocalFS - both have no successors.

I could replace LocalFS entirely with Zope core functionality, in this case 
with resourceDirectory ( 
https://docs.plone.org/adapt-and-extend/theming/templates_css/resourcefolders.html
 ).

ExternalFile was rewritten from scratch, and now is only like 20 lines, which 
read a file from the file system and just return it to the browser.

So, no clue whether one or the other solution would fit your usecase.


When you want to work on the migration yourself, have a look at the docs...

https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/migrations/zope4/index.html#

Generally, it is best to upgrade to the latest version 2 of Zope, first, before 
trying to update to Zope 4.

Michael, one of the core maintainers, gave a talk at EuroPython about a 
successful Zope migraton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-xSmvQwPHY

https://community.plone.org
Just for completion, if you need commercial support, you can post here: 
https://community.plone.org/c/jobs/38


And as already mentioned, https://community.plone.org is a good place to ask 
questions. This mailing list is super low volume.

Best,
Jürgen
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Re: [Zope] Two or three things about Zope 5

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hi Giampiero,

generally this mailing list is very low traffic.

When you have questions, the community https://community.plone.org/ is the best 
way to go.

If you face bugs or you want new features, then the issue trackers at 
https://github.com/zopefoundation is the right address.

>1. When in some script I do some typo like “reuest” instead or “request” I get 
>the error “Internal Server Error The server encountered an unexpected internal 
>server error
> (generated by waitress)”

Please have a look at the complete traceback (in your log or in your terminal 
when you start Zope in foreground modus), and determine where the error 
happens, and then report the error at above mentioned GitHub projects. Maybe 
you meant https://github.com/zopefoundation/Products.PythonScripts ? I am not 
sure from your description.

> 2. Yeah! Session Data Manager: "Sessioning is currently disabled because the 
> session data container path setting is invalid. Please enter the path to a 
> valid session data
> container object.”. What can I do bout it?

Exactly what is written 🙂 You need to set the path to a valid session data 
container.

I use cookie based session, so I am not very firm with this topic. I remember 
there was some discussion about temporarystorage and sessions make problems, so 
the default session mechanism is no longer the default. Maybe you find some 
more information in the release notes of Zope 4 ( 
https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/blob/4.x/CHANGES.rst )

Oh, here is some good information: 
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/zopebook/Sessions.html#alternative-server-side-session-backends-for-zope-4

> 3. Sorry, I forgot about this: zone time. In zope 2.xx I used to set the 
> local/zone time in this way: in instance/bin/runzope: export TZ=Europe/Rome. 
> How do I fix it in zope5?

I use a os.environ['TZ'] = 'Europe/Berlin' in my buildout.cfg and this seems to 
do the trick.

Best,
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Re: [Zope] Zope 4.6 and 5.2 released with an important security fix

[Jürgen Gmach]

Thank you very much for the fix and the new release.

As a user of plain Zope, and having already applied PloneHotfix20210518, I 
wonder whether I need or should deinstall the hotfix now.

e.g. the hotfix also touched xmlrpc, which this new release does not.

Or let me rephrase my question.

What is the current recommended way to mitigate the announced vulnerabilities 
for a plain Zope setup?

Install the just released Zope version and the hotfix? Or just the latest Zope 
version?

Thank you!

Von: Zope  im Auftrag von Jens Vagelpohl 
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Betreff: [Zope] Zope 4.6 and 5.2 released with an important security fix

On behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce the releases of 
Zope 4.6 and 5.2.

This bugfix release solves a few minor issues and also contains an important 
security fix, see below. For the full list of changes see the change logs at 
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/4.x/changes.html#id1 and 
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html#id1

Installation instructions can be found at 
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/4.x/INSTALL.html and 
https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/INSTALL.html.

NOTE: These releases contain a security fix that prevents remote code execution 
through TAL expressions. You will only be at risk if you allow untrusted people 
to add or edit Zope Page Template objects. For more details, see the security 
advisory at 
https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/security/advisories/GHSA-5pr9-v234-jw36. 
A CVE has been requested through GitHub.

NOTE FOR PLONE USERS: Before installing Zope 4.6 or 5.2 make sure to install 
PloneHotfix20210518 first, see https://plone.org/security/hotfix/20210518. The 
security changes in Zope break some Plone add-ons that relied on the old 
insecure traversal behavior. PloneHotfix20210518 ensures support for those 
Plone add-ons.

Jens Vagelpohl

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Re: [Zope] Zope 4.6 and 5.2 released with an important security fix

[Jürgen Gmach]

Hi Jens,

thank you for the quick response, the clarifcation and your continued 
committment for the Zope eco-system.

Jürgen


Von: Zope  im Auftrag von Jens Vagelpohl 
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Mai 2021 12:47
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Betreff: Re: [Zope] Zope 4.6 and 5.2 released with an important security fix

Hi Jürgen,

Zope and Plone are still two different projects. The Plone developers published 
a hotfix product that fixes everything they believe needed to be fixed. I 
looked at items that apply to plain Zope and made the required changes in Zope.

So anyone using plain Zope can install the latest update and they are safe. As 
a plain Zope developer I cannot comment on or make recommendations regarding a 
Plone hotfix, and Zope itself will never require a Plone add-on or hotfix. I 
don’t have any control over how the Plone release managers communicate these 
fixes, either. People who do not use Plone are advised to stick to published 
Zope updates.

jens



> On 21. May 2021, at 12:25 , Jürgen Gmach  wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for the fix and the new release.
>
> As a user of plain Zope, and having already applied PloneHotfix20210518, I 
> wonder whether I need or should deinstall the hotfix now.
>
> e.g. the hotfix also touched xmlrpc, which this new release does not.
>
> Or let me rephrase my question.
>
> What is the current recommended way to mitigate the announced vulnerabilities 
> for a plain Zope setup?
>
> Install the just released Zope version and the hotfix? Or just the latest 
> Zope version?
>
> Thank you!
> Von: Zope  im Auftrag von Jens Vagelpohl 
> 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Mai 2021 11:12
> An: zope-annou...@zope.org ; zope@zope.org Users 
> 
> Betreff: [Zope] Zope 4.6 and 5.2 released with an important security fix
>
> On behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce the releases 
> of Zope 4.6 and 5.2.
>
> This bugfix release solves a few minor issues and also contains an important 
> security fix, see below. For the full list of changes see the change logs 
> athttps://zope.readthedocs.io/en/4.x/changes.html#id1 
> andhttps://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html#id1
>
> Installation instructions can be found at 
> https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/4.x/INSTALL.html and 
> https://zope.readthedocs.io/en/latest/INSTALL.html.
>
> NOTE: These releases contain a security fix that prevents remote code 
> execution through TAL expressions. You will only be at risk if you allow 
> untrusted people to add or edit Zope Page Template objects. For more details, 
> see the security advisory 
> athttps://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/security/advisories/GHSA-5pr9-v234-jw36.
>  A CVE has been requested through GitHub.
>
> NOTE FOR PLONE USERS: Before installing Zope 4.6 or 5.2 make sure to install 
> PloneHotfix20210518 first, see https://plone.org/security/hotfix/20210518. 
> The security changes in Zope break some Plone add-ons that relied on the old 
> insecure traversal behavior. PloneHotfix20210518 ensures support for those 
> Plone add-ons.
>
> Jens Vagelpohl
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Re: [Zope] Zope 5.3 and webdav

[Jürgen Gmach via Zope]

Hi Giampiero,

last year I wrote down a couple of notes on how to set up Zope with WebDAV:
https://jugmac00.github.io/til/how-to-access-via-webdav/

Maybe that helps.

Cheers,
Jürgen


Am Mo., 29. Nov. 2021 um 18:45 Uhr schrieb Giampiero Benvenuti <
giampiero.benven...@chiaroscuro.com>:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I was reading the zope.conf file of zope5.3 and it looks like webdav is
> supported.
> Does it need ZServer for that? I thoght ZServer wasnt supported any longer.
>
> Thanks for your tips.
>
> —giampiero
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