RE: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
From: Smith Ray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The cost thrown up in the air was in the order of $AUS20,000 for a 3 year rental, per site (At the moment that is about $US35,000) When you start talking dozens of sites you quickly start looking for alternatives! Zope can easily do most all of the things you mention in zClasses. The most difficult items you are requesting though is calendaring and discussion. Currently there are no real good products available so I guess you will have to roll your own in a Python Product, and that can be a bit difficult to learn. The rest sounds like a 2-4 weeks job. maybe 4-6 weeks if depending on how newbie you are :-) For me the biggest bonus about Zope vs. closed system is not the $ savings but the gained flexibility and freedom. It might take a little longer to set up your own system in zope, but You will know it by heart afterwards and can easily change the sites. Regards Max M ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
SR == "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar SR functionality to what I have quickly described? there aren't any intranet packages per se, but there is a wonderful zope product called worldpilot which you should take a look at. its available at http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/ it has a very nice web based mail client / calendar / todo / address book features. that fulfils half of your requirements in an intranet. for the other half, go out and create something based on other zope tools, e.g. zwiki / squishdot / ptk the drawback is in integrating worldpilot with whatever you create. the code is definitely not the most manageable, however, the source is there - so you can do whatever you want :) SR If I had to build something like this myself would SR Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would SR be since I'm on a Zope list!) zope is without doubt one of the best ways to do this. most important for me is the ability to extend the product in a rapid and easy manner at esp (company i work for), we desperately looked around for good intranet solutions and ended up making our own 'xnet' product based on zope. it does pretty much anything you would want from an intranet, and using zope was definitely the best decision we made about it. i would offer you this product, however, its been made primarily for internal use, but with a few days work, i guess it could be be made non-esp centric. pop onto irc (irc.espnow.com / #esp) if you want to talk about it. SR How long (rough estimate) would something like SR this take to develop for a Zope newbie? if you dedicate yourself to this, then about two months. zope has a steep learning curve. but once you get to a certain level, everything becomes much clearer... that is, until you want to rise to the next level of zope meisters -- best regards, tav [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?= writes: Zope can easily do most all of the things you mention in zClasses. The most difficult items you are requesting though is calendaring and discussion. I looked at SquishDot, at it seems not to be bad for discussions (a la bulletin board). Calender generation is facilitated by the "Calendar" tag. Dieter ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
I'd personally stay from Worldpilot since AFIAK its not open source. -- Andy McKay. - Original Message - From: "tav" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ... SR == "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar SR functionality to what I have quickly described? there aren't any intranet packages per se, but there is a wonderful zope product called worldpilot which you should take a look at. its available at http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/ it has a very nice web based mail client / calendar / todo / address book features. that fulfils half of your requirements in an intranet. for the other half, go out and create something based on other zope tools, e.g. zwiki / squishdot / ptk the drawback is in integrating worldpilot with whatever you create. the code is definitely not the most manageable, however, the source is there - so you can do whatever you want :) SR If I had to build something like this myself would SR Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would SR be since I'm on a Zope list!) zope is without doubt one of the best ways to do this. most important for me is the ability to extend the product in a rapid and easy manner at esp (company i work for), we desperately looked around for good intranet solutions and ended up making our own 'xnet' product based on zope. it does pretty much anything you would want from an intranet, and using zope was definitely the best decision we made about it. i would offer you this product, however, its been made primarily for internal use, but with a few days work, i guess it could be be made non-esp centric. pop onto irc (irc.espnow.com / #esp) if you want to talk about it. SR How long (rough estimate) would something like SR this take to develop for a Zope newbie? if you dedicate yourself to this, then about two months. zope has a steep learning curve. but once you get to a certain level, everything becomes much clearer... that is, until you want to rise to the next level of zope meisters -- best regards, tav [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
Same as ZPL http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/LICENSEWPL.txt -Original Message- From: Andy McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:06 PM To: tav; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Smith Ray Subject: Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ... I'd personally stay from Worldpilot since AFIAK its not open source. -- Andy McKay. - Original Message - From: "tav" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ... SR == "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar SR functionality to what I have quickly described? there aren't any intranet packages per se, but there is a wonderful zope product called worldpilot which you should take a look at. its available at http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/ it has a very nice web based mail client / calendar / todo / address book features. that fulfils half of your requirements in an intranet. for the other half, go out and create something based on other zope tools, e.g. zwiki / squishdot / ptk the drawback is in integrating worldpilot with whatever you create. the code is definitely not the most manageable, however, the source is there - so you can do whatever you want :) SR If I had to build something like this myself would SR Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would SR be since I'm on a Zope list!) zope is without doubt one of the best ways to do this. most important for me is the ability to extend the product in a rapid and easy manner at esp (company i work for), we desperately looked around for good intranet solutions and ended up making our own 'xnet' product based on zope. it does pretty much anything you would want from an intranet, and using zope was definitely the best decision we made about it. i would offer you this product, however, its been made primarily for internal use, but with a few days work, i guess it could be be made non-esp centric. pop onto irc (irc.espnow.com / #esp) if you want to talk about it. SR How long (rough estimate) would something like SR this take to develop for a Zope newbie? if you dedicate yourself to this, then about two months. zope has a steep learning curve. but once you get to a certain level, everything becomes much clearer... that is, until you want to rise to the next level of zope meisters -- best regards, tav [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
Well there you go, now I know. Even better -- Andy McKay. - Original Message - From: "Farrell, Troy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Andy McKay'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "tav" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ... Same as ZPL http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/LICENSEWPL.txt -Original Message- From: Andy McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:06 PM To: tav; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Smith Ray Subject: Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ... I'd personally stay from Worldpilot since AFIAK its not open source. -- Andy McKay. - Original Message - From: "tav" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ... SR == "Smith Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar SR functionality to what I have quickly described? there aren't any intranet packages per se, but there is a wonderful zope product called worldpilot which you should take a look at. its available at http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/ it has a very nice web based mail client / calendar / todo / address book features. that fulfils half of your requirements in an intranet. for the other half, go out and create something based on other zope tools, e.g. zwiki / squishdot / ptk the drawback is in integrating worldpilot with whatever you create. the code is definitely not the most manageable, however, the source is there - so you can do whatever you want :) SR If I had to build something like this myself would SR Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would SR be since I'm on a Zope list!) zope is without doubt one of the best ways to do this. most important for me is the ability to extend the product in a rapid and easy manner at esp (company i work for), we desperately looked around for good intranet solutions and ended up making our own 'xnet' product based on zope. it does pretty much anything you would want from an intranet, and using zope was definitely the best decision we made about it. i would offer you this product, however, its been made primarily for internal use, but with a few days work, i guess it could be be made non-esp centric. pop onto irc (irc.espnow.com / #esp) if you want to talk about it. SR How long (rough estimate) would something like SR this take to develop for a Zope newbie? if you dedicate yourself to this, then about two months. zope has a steep learning curve. but once you get to a certain level, everything becomes much clearer... that is, until you want to rise to the next level of zope meisters -- best regards, tav [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
[Note: I assume posts can't be made using the egroups web post form? I see the note that it is a remote list, but if posts never work maybe a note specifically stating it is an archive only should be displayed?] Hi, Yesterday I saw a demo of an Intranet package a company wants the company I work for to resell. It looks like a nice little package but very expensive for the functionality available. I'm sure Zope can be setup to do everything this can do but I want to ask how difficult it would be to create myself and if any current packages exist that have the same or similar functionality. The features (or limitations) of the package I saw are: * Runs on Windows NT/2000 only. (Zope can + many others) * Uses MS IIS only (I believe Zope can use IIS + built in web server + others) * Uses MS SQL Server (I believe Zope can + built in DB + others) * Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package. * Has good security system allowing users to belong to groups which "may" have different content. Also managers have profiles allowing the restriction of content and actions performed. * Has a news module with multiple classes of news. * Has a basic calendar system. * Has a basic messaging system. * Has a basic knowledge base ... allows free format text to be entered and later searched. * Allows external documents to be loaded associated with a group where keywords can be manually entered. These documents can then be opened or downloaded if users have correct permissions. * Basically all content added can be added to specific groups, and if you don't have access that that group you don't have access to that content. There are probably a few things I missed but you get the idea. The cost thrown up in the air was in the order of $AUS20,000 for a 3 year rental, per site (At the moment that is about $US35,000) When you start talking dozens of sites you quickly start looking for alternatives! My initial thought was Zope, I knew it existed and assumed with a good design and few months work a could produce similar results with a fraction of the costs. Okay, sorry for the long email ... my questions ... Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar functionality to what I have quickly described? If I had to build something like this myself would Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would be since I'm on a Zope list!) How long (rough estimate) would something like this take to develop for a Zope newbie? (Assume say 10 viewable screens and 10-20 maintenance screens with 5-30 fields per screen. I have programming (Cobol, VB, etc), HTML, DB and analysis experience) Thanks for reading so far and thanks for any responses. Ray Smith ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
hi there Smith Ray schrieb: * Runs on Windows NT/2000 only. (Zope can + many others) yes * Uses MS IIS only (I believe Zope can use IIS + built in web server + others) apache, zserver, iis * Uses MS SQL Server (I believe Zope can + built in DB + others) zope with mysql, postgresql, informix, ... * Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package. product: IEMethod wysiwyg even in internet explorer. really great! check it out * Has good security system allowing users to belong to groups which "may" have different content. Also managers have profiles allowing the restriction of content and actions performed. no problem * Has a news module with multiple classes of news. products: ZDocumentStore, ... * Has a basic calendar system. products: EventFolder (very powerfull), EvTracker (very simple) * Has a basic messaging system. * Has a basic knowledge base ... allows free format text to be entered and later searched. "Catalog" * Allows external documents to be loaded associated with a group where keywords can be manually entered. These documents can then be opened or downloaded if users have correct permissions. easy to realize i assume * Basically all content added can be added to specific groups, and if you don't have access that that group you don't have access to that content. right (roles, users, acl-user-folders) There are probably a few things I missed but you get the idea. The cost thrown up in the air was in the order of $AUS20,000 for a 3 year rental, per site (At the moment that is about $US35,000) When you start talking dozens of sites you quickly start looking for alternatives! they must be jokeing My initial thought was Zope, I knew it existed and assumed with a good design and few months work a could produce similar results with a fraction of the costs. Okay, sorry for the long email ... my questions ... Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar functionality to what I have quickly described? just go create it, 4 weeks and you know how it goes. If I had to build something like this myself would Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would be since I'm on a Zope list!) absolutely How long (rough estimate) would something like this take to develop for a Zope newbie? (Assume say 10 viewable screens and 10-20 maintenance screens with 5-30 fields per screen. I have programming (Cobol, VB, etc), HTML, DB and analysis experience) about 3 months to make it decent olaf -- soli-con Engineering Zanger Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Olaf Marc Zanger Lorrainestrasse 23 3013 Bern / Switzerland Fon: +41-31-332 9782 Mob: +41-76-572 9782 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soli-con.com begin:vcard n:Zanger;Olaf Marc tel;cell:+41-76-572 9782 tel;work:+41-31-332 9782 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.soli-con.com org:soli-con Engineering Zanger adr:;;Lorrainestrasse 23;Bern;BE;3013;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Dipl.-Ing. note;quoted-printable:IT-Consulting=0D=0AEmbedded Systems=0D=0AEnergy Systems=0D=0AOpen Source Solutions=0D=0A x-mozilla-cpt:;-32176 fn:Olaf Zanger end:vcard
