Re: [Zope] Re: superuser confusion

2000-09-05 Thread Evan Simpson

From: "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Chris Withers wrote:
  Well, okay, let me rephrase the question:
  Why is it bad for the bootstrap user to own anything?
  It used to be considered okay before Zope 2.2, so was has been
  changed/discovered that makes this now such a bad idea that despite
  loads of newbie pain and confusion, it's still worth while/necessary?

 I've got to say I agree with you here.  I'm still not 100% sure why the
 superuser or bootstrap user can't own anything.

It's due to a combination of the trojan horse issue and the sticky
authentication issue, I think.  You really don't want to be authenticated as
super very often, because while you are, if you visit a page someone else
wrote, they can make your browser do evil things to your site.  This is also
true of Managers, but less so.  Similarly, a page owned by non-super has
tighter permissions than one owned by the super would.

Ideally, people working in a site should be operating with the bare minimum
of privileges to get the job done.  The super should only be called in when
no one else can fix it.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool  4-am


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Re: [Zope] Re: superuser confusion

2000-09-05 Thread Chris McDonough

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Evan Simpson wrote:

  I've got to say I agree with you here.  I'm still not 100% sure why the
  superuser or bootstrap user can't own anything.
 
 It's due to a combination of the trojan horse issue and the sticky
 authentication issue, I think.  You really don't want to be authenticated as
 super very often, because while you are, if you visit a page someone else
 wrote, they can make your browser do evil things to your site.  This is also
 true of Managers, but less so.  Similarly, a page owned by non-super has
 tighter permissions than one owned by the super would.

Yes... the PDG security chapter has all of this in it, but it would seem
that neither Chris W or I are completely satisfied by these answers.  :-)
It seems a matter of diminishing returns, especially when newbies hit the
wall during install, since we haven't provided them with an airbag yet.

Chris McDonough
Digital Creations, Publishers of Zope
http://www.zope.org


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