[Zope] Re: zope 3 invisibility
For the record, I found this thread illuminating and entirely on-topic for this list. Thanks Carlos! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: zope 3 invisibility
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Sep 2006, at 02:04, Fred Drake wrote: On 9/5/06, Carlos de la Guardia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I frequently blog about Zope, and recently posted a list of 10 reasons why I think Zope 3 is kind of invisible to the Python community (see my blog at http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx ). One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. Interesting. I've always considered blogs to be fairly invisible since I have to go look for them, whereas for mailing lists I can sign up for things I'm interested in. Exactly. This is a matter of taste, nothing else. Mailing list email comes to me. Blogs I have to seek out and go there. Sorry, too much effort for much hot air of dubious quality ;) Lol, and lists like this one here do NOT have hot air of dubious quality? It *is* a matter of taste, sure. However, the effects of buzz through blogging cannot be denied. My blog for instance is in the planet.python.org aggregator, which has made at least a few Pythonistas aware of it. If Zope were to appear there more often, perhaps it won't be forgotten that often anymore. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: zope 3 invisibility
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Sep 2006, at 11:11, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Interesting. I've always considered blogs to be fairly invisible since I have to go look for them, whereas for mailing lists I can sign up for things I'm interested in. Exactly. This is a matter of taste, nothing else. Mailing list email comes to me. Blogs I have to seek out and go there. Sorry, too much effort for much hot air of dubious quality ;) Lol, and lists like this one here do NOT have hot air of dubious quality? I get the hot air on the lists without effort, that was my point. It *is* a matter of taste, sure. However, the effects of buzz through blogging cannot be denied. My blog for instance is in the planet.python.org aggregator, which has made at least a few Pythonistas aware of it. If Zope were to appear there more often, perhaps it won't be forgotten that often anymore. I'm not denying there is buzz through blogging, I'm just saying I see no reason for myself to jump on the blog bandwagon. I have a very dim view on blogs and a lot of bloggers. - warning: personal opinion jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE/pLwRAx5nvEhZLIRAmTbAJwNkQYJaWUph/iTC549DgD4w8CkJwCguE6r UD/ANrwD0Pv7HC5U2nYSjDw= =gWeg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: zope 3 invisibility
Thanks for your responses. I can say from experience that even a barely known blog by an unheralded developer can attract some attention now and then and that blogs by leading developers of a given project, like Philipp's own blog, can be a very good source of news about an interesting project. While I agree that to blog or not to blog is a matter of taste, I don't think that it is that difficult to use blogs. You just need to find the feed for an interesting blog once, which is easier than a lot of lists (even Zope's, if I recall correctly), that require you to sign on from a web page and validate email at the time you subscribe. Also, subscribing to blogs of people you respect reduce the noise a little bit, and managing a dozen blogs seems to me a lot easier than a dozen mailing lists, but your mileage may vary. The main thing going for blogs regarding buzz is that if your post is linked to by a couple of bloggers, it may end up being read by an audience you never expected, and the effect can sometimes multiply. That just doesn't happen with mailing lists. Anyway, I'm just saying that perhaps this quality of the Zope community makes it a little harder to get to know Zope 3 these days (many bloggers have seen to it that Zope 2 is better known, though sadly in a negative way for Zope). Of course, that doesn't mean the community is doing anything wrong. Like Martin Aspeli said in a blog post, maybe we're just not that kind of people ( http://optilude.blogspot.com/2006/09/maybe-were-just-not-that-kind-of-people.html).Carlos de la Guardia ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
