Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton wrote: I wish they were gone, but they are still there. Someday, I'd like to se a TALES-based DTML, but I doubt I'll ever have time to do it. You know that means you want to deprecate it really ;-) I still maintaining ofrcing users to learn two templating languages, one of which is one of the oldest things in the whole framework, is pretty cruel, but then we as a community, do seem to like inflicting new languages on our end users *grinz* Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). Jake -- Zoping for the rest of us http://www.ZopeZone.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jake wrote: Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton wrote: I've gotten a lot of grief because of the effort I've been putting into getting them to work with Zope 2.8 and the effect that that has had on the 2.8 schedule. Many active Zope developers are (understandbly) dismissive of ZClasses, but I think we can't ignore the many people who depend on them. I think this course of action leads to misinforming new users that ZClasses are a good thing. If ZClasses really must stay around, then put them in a big box labelled some people like these, but the community as a whole recommends against them, which seems to be the consensus here. I think ZPT and python scripts are much more useful tools for newbies who will often enter with a scripting rather than OO frame of mind. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Hi Chris, Chris Withers wrote: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... With or without a circled A? ;-) -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 it's very hard to talk quantum using a language originally designed to tell other monkeys where the ripe fruit is - Lu-Tze ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake wrote: Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... DTML is very nice for some things. And for beginners. Only the magic namespaces of DTML are bad, and those are gone in Zope 3. Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) CTO, Director of RD +33 1 40 33 71 59 http://nuxeo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Florent Guillaume wrote: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake wrote: Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... DTML is very nice for some things. And for beginners. Only the magic namespaces of DTML are bad, and those are gone in Zope 3. I wish they were gone, but they are still there. Someday, I'd like to se a TALES-based DTML, but I doubt I'll ever have time to do it. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-4-7 13:22 +0100: ... but the community as a whole recommends against them, which seems to be the consensus here. A funny definition of consensus... It may be the majority opinion but it definitely is not consensus... -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Tres Seaver wrote at 2005-4-6 09:47 -0400: ... Perhaps once Jim's current work lands, that might be possible. As it is, most of the work to make ZClasses function in Zope 2.8 has been at the ZODB level (I think); I doubt that anyone (except Dieter!) plans to dive from the frying pan of ZClass implementation into the fire of ZODB code any time soon. And me, too, I am *VERY* happy that Jim proposed to make ZClasses work again with the new ExtensionClass'es (and does not abandon ZClasses right now). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
