Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Wolfram Kerber wrote: > > Ok, i've put it here : > http://www.gallileus.info/gallileus/members/m_wolf/publications/100756611705 > /10075665840/protoCat.zip > > I should put together some doc about the changes as well ... Indeed :-) I shall have a look though... Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Martijn Faassen wrote: > > I agree that I should just 'do it', but I'm not following the guidelines if > I do it, Then the guidelines are wrong ;-) > and though I'm Dutch and toleration of not following the rules is > institutional here, I also don't think it's the ideal situation. I think the rules should change then. > Either > we work out who is maintainer for what and the fishbowl process for the > *maintainers* is spelled out (the fishbowl introduction focuses much more > on the artifacts to be produced than on the human aspects), or we scrap > or completely overhaul the fishbowl process as we do something else anyway. Where can I buy my "I'm an An4rCh15T!!" badge? ;-) *grinz* Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] corrupted data.fs
I am forwarding this message to ZODB-dev, as it is more appropriate there. - Original Message - From: "Chris Kratz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: [Zope-dev] corrupted data.fs > Hello all, > > My apologies if this is not appropriate on this list and my apologies for > this "book". But, we have been having more and more problems with Zope and > it is getting quite frustrating. I thought since I had posted on the zope > list and no one had any suggestions that I would try this list next. > > The behavior we are seeing is as follows. We are using versions heavily. > There are two of us primary developers, soon to be three working heavily > within the same data.fs. We use versions, often running several at the same > time. When the code is ready, we save the version incorporating the changes > to the live site. > > Ever since we upgraded to Zope 2.4.1, saving the version rarely actually does > that. It will save some objects, but usually only a few. We have to then go > to each object and save it again (sometimes making changes) and continue > saving the version until we get all the locked objects unlocked and > committed. This is very annoying, but not a show stopper. What is starting > to scare me is that I wonder if this problem with the version commits is > somehow causing the corruption of the database. > > Now, I say all this because it may or may not be related to the other > problems we continue to have. We periodically, get folders that are no > longer visible within the ZMI and produce a keyerror in filestorage.py > (traceback at end of msg). But, the same folder is still happily being > served externally (ie it generates the web pages based within that folder > without error to our customers). This tells me that it is still in the ZODB, > it is just unreachable via the ZODB. Since we cannot access it from > within zope any longer, we have to load the data.fs from backup and restore > the offending folder losing any work done since the previous night. It never > seems to effect any other parts of the website and it has happened in several > different areas. This is becoming more and more of a showstopper especially > when we lose code. > > 1. I have packed the database. > 2. I have run fsrecover.py over the data.fs. - Nothing to recover. So, if we > aren't corrupted, why can we no longer work with that folder? > 3. I have exported and imported the offending folder without effect (XML and > regular). > 4. We were packing the zope database nightly via a cron job to control ZODB > bloat. I have turned that off for now on the theory that somehow mixing > overnight packs with versions is causing problems. > > Help!!! This continues to happen and it is really scary when your database > continues to get corrupted underneath you on a live site when you are in > heavy development. Can anyone give any ideas on how to track down this > problem? Could it be with the versioning code? Is there a better way to > work with a production site and still get the benefits of the versioning? Is > versioning just dangerous and shouldn't be used? Pardon my tone, but I am a > little frustrated. > > I will say that the last time this happened, thankfully, that particular > folder was being worked on in a version and even though the folder was > inaccessible outside of the version, when working within the version, it was > still there. So, when that version was cut in, we were again able to work > with that folder. This time however, the folder in question wasn't begin > worked on in a version. > > Thank you for your time, > > Sincerely > > -Chris > > - > > **Traceback** > > > Error Type: KeyError > Error Value: ?f > > Traceback > Traceback (innermost last): File > /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish .py, > line 171, in publish File > /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply. py, > line 160, in mapply (Object: manage_main) File > /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish .py, > line 112, in call_object (Object: manage_main) File > /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/ Bindings.py, > line 324, in __call__ (Object: manage_main) File > /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/ Bindings.py, > line 354, in _bindAndExec (Object: manage_main) File > /usr/local/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 244, in _exec (Object: > manage_main) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line > 711, in renderwob (Object: objectItems) File > /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 839, in > sort_sequence (Object: objectItems) File > /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py , line > 519, in setstate File lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 588, in load > (Object: /usr/local/zope/var/Data.fs) File lib/python/ZODB/File
[Zope-dev] corrupted data.fs
Hello all, My apologies if this is not appropriate on this list and my apologies for this "book". But, we have been having more and more problems with Zope and it is getting quite frustrating. I thought since I had posted on the zope list and no one had any suggestions that I would try this list next. The behavior we are seeing is as follows. We are using versions heavily. There are two of us primary developers, soon to be three working heavily within the same data.fs. We use versions, often running several at the same time. When the code is ready, we save the version incorporating the changes to the live site. Ever since we upgraded to Zope 2.4.1, saving the version rarely actually does that. It will save some objects, but usually only a few. We have to then go to each object and save it again (sometimes making changes) and continue saving the version until we get all the locked objects unlocked and committed. This is very annoying, but not a show stopper. What is starting to scare me is that I wonder if this problem with the version commits is somehow causing the corruption of the database. Now, I say all this because it may or may not be related to the other problems we continue to have. We periodically, get folders that are no longer visible within the ZMI and produce a keyerror in filestorage.py (traceback at end of msg). But, the same folder is still happily being served externally (ie it generates the web pages based within that folder without error to our customers). This tells me that it is still in the ZODB, it is just unreachable via the ZODB. Since we cannot access it from within zope any longer, we have to load the data.fs from backup and restore the offending folder losing any work done since the previous night. It never seems to effect any other parts of the website and it has happened in several different areas. This is becoming more and more of a showstopper especially when we lose code. 1. I have packed the database. 2. I have run fsrecover.py over the data.fs. - Nothing to recover. So, if we aren't corrupted, why can we no longer work with that folder? 3. I have exported and imported the offending folder without effect (XML and regular). 4. We were packing the zope database nightly via a cron job to control ZODB bloat. I have turned that off for now on the theory that somehow mixing overnight packs with versions is causing problems. Help!!! This continues to happen and it is really scary when your database continues to get corrupted underneath you on a live site when you are in heavy development. Can anyone give any ideas on how to track down this problem? Could it be with the versioning code? Is there a better way to work with a production site and still get the benefits of the versioning? Is versioning just dangerous and shouldn't be used? Pardon my tone, but I am a little frustrated. I will say that the last time this happened, thankfully, that particular folder was being worked on in a version and even though the folder was inaccessible outside of the version, when working within the version, it was still there. So, when that version was cut in, we were again able to work with that folder. This time however, the folder in question wasn't begin worked on in a version. Thank you for your time, Sincerely -Chris - **Traceback** Error Type: KeyError Error Value: ?f Traceback Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish File /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: manage_main) File /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object (Object: manage_main) File /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__ (Object: manage_main) File /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec (Object: manage_main) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 244, in _exec (Object: manage_main) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 711, in renderwob (Object: objectItems) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 839, in sort_sequence (Object: objectItems) File /usr/local/zope2.4/Zope-2.4.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 519, in setstate File lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 588, in load (Object: /usr/local/zope/var/Data.fs) File lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 564, in _load (Object: /usr/local/zope/var/Data.fs) KeyError: ?f **Instalation Info** Platform: RH 7.2 Zope Version: (Zope 2.4.1 (binary release, python 2.1, linux2-x86), python 2.1.1, linux2) Python Version: 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 8 2001, 11:57:42) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-81)] System Platform: linux2 Products ins
RE: [Zope-dev] Searching
I think this could be done well at the application level, above the Catalog if done right, but one would have to have good synonym translation table specific to their application. I do this in an application using a TinyTable with translation information for abbreviations (i.e. VW printed in a classified auto ad gets expanded to Volkswagen, so people can search for both)... If there was any sort of thesaurus database of sorts available to your application, I suppose, in theory, one could do some synonym-oriented indexing, profided that you index a method that brute-force weights the real words by outputting them a greater factor of times than the synonym (i.e. index a method that outputs the original text 3 times and synonyms for the meaningful words (non-stop words) in that text perhaps once. This is not difficult from a development perspective, but involves having synonym data and deciding what words should be translated to their synonyms, and what ones should not. I think the real issue here is not having a database of synonyms - and, at that, you would have to have one for whatever language(s) you needed to support. Sean -Original Message- From: Dieter Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:24 PM To: Dirk Datzert Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Searching Dirk Datzert writes: > I'm looking for a search tool which can do semantic/synonym search. > > Can this be done via ZCatalog ? Not out of the box. You could place something before ZCatalog (which parses subquerie for search term and expands them into a set of synonyms). But you would need to work quite hard to get true semantic search... Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: hooking up gdb (was Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....)
Matthew T. Kromer writes: > ... > Well largely, ALL I want is the backtrace -- and I'm wondering if I > could cobble something together that could get it. The problem is it > needs to look at the symbol table, and I dont know how to get at that > via C -- ie, gdb doesnt have an interface that I know of that you can > link in to grab a stack trace and exit. I seem to remember that one can define gdb commands that are executed whenever the program stops. It this were true, we could activate such a definition in a ".gdbinit" file and then run the program. When the Python stops due to a signal, the command would be activated. It would make a backtrace followed by a quit. Not sure, it will work, though... Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching
Dirk Datzert writes: > I'm looking for a search tool which can do semantic/synonym search. > > Can this be done via ZCatalog ? Not out of the box. You could place something before ZCatalog (which parses subquerie for search term and expands them into a set of synonyms). But you would need to work quite hard to get true semantic search... Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...
Hi! > This isn't a Catalog error, it's a ZODB error. It appears that your > ZODB data has beome inconsistent. You might want to try to run > fsrecover.py against it after making a backup to see if it detects any > errors. I don't think so: - fsrecover doesn't find anything - the error occurs on two machines that are synched via "ZSyncer", so a physical corruption of the ZODB is not likely - the error ONLY occurs with ZCatalog indexing attempts But maybe I am missing something ... Cheers Joachim - Traceback (innermost last): File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 224, in publish_module File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 226, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: manage_addSmartTextBlock) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object (Object: manage_addSmartTextBlock) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartT extBlock.py, line 63, in manage_addSmartTextBlock (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ectionElement.py, line 30, in manage_addSectionElement (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/OrderedFolder/Ordere dObjectManager.py, line 118, in _setObject (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 330, in _setObject (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ectionElement.py, line 177, in manage_afterAdd (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ectionElement.py, line 172, in manage_routineTasks (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ection.py, line 89, in contentIndexObject (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/Kontentor/Katalog.py , line 130, in indexObject (Object: LockableItem) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.py , line 498, in catalog_object (Object: LockableItem) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.py, line 438, in catalogObject File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIn dex/TextIndex.py, line 381, in index_object (Object: PluggableIndex) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIn dex/GlobbingLexicon.py, line 166, in getWordId File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIn dex/GlobbingLexicon.py, line 206, in assignWordId File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 519, in setstate File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 588, in load (Object: /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/var/Data.fs) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 584, in _load (Object: /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/var/Data.fs) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 1905, in _loadBack KeyError: (see above) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] maybe we could script it (Re: hooking up gdb)
On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 18:41, Matthew T. Kromer wrote: > Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: > > > > Well largely, ALL I want is the backtrace -- and I'm wondering if I > could cobble something together that could get it. The problem is it > needs to look at the symbol table, and I dont know how to get at that > via C -- ie, gdb doesnt have an interface that I know of that you can > link in to grab a stack trace and exit. > > Its been a while since I prowled the gdb source. I may not be able to > do anything automatic like you want -- but I sure wish that tool was > available! Maybe we could script it. If we can convince python, in the event of a SIG11, freeze every other thread and run some python function, or even an external script, we could make this script invoke gdb with another script (a gdb script) that would attach to the zope python process and get a stack trace of every thread. No need to get fancy with C. Now the nice thing would be if I could generate a Zope package just like the binary Zopes at zope.org, but compiled with my options (such as -g). Speaking of options, is linux-binary-Zope-2.4.3-python still being compiled with --pymalloc? As I mentioned before, our segfaults reduced drastically WITHOUT it. Cheers, Leo PS: if anyone is wondering why I keep changing the subject in this thread, check out this URL: http://udell.roninhouse.com/GroupwareReport.html -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: hooking up gdb (was Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....)
Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: >Well, one of the things I was going to ask next was for some help doing >postmortem. > >We aren't getting any core files, even after setting ulimit correctly >(although we could be setting it uncorrectly. I'll look into that >further). Anyway, someone else in this list said that core dumps for >threaded apps in Linux were mostly useless, so we aren't investing much >energy in it anyway. > >With the short restart times we have, I'd prever a solution that didn't >involve keeping a dead site dead for too long (as in, debugging with >gdb). We are working in a ZEO scheme that would switch over the >accelerator to proxy another zeo client, but we are not there yet. > >It would be ideal if we could instruct python to grab the SIG11, invoke >gdb, get a C stacktrace for all threads and let Zope die in peace. If it >all happend in a few seconds, we will still keep the client happy. > >So, to answer your question, yes, I am confortable hooking up gdb. I'd >just prefer if it could be done in as little time as possible. > > Cheers, Leo > Well largely, ALL I want is the backtrace -- and I'm wondering if I could cobble something together that could get it. The problem is it needs to look at the symbol table, and I dont know how to get at that via C -- ie, gdb doesnt have an interface that I know of that you can link in to grab a stack trace and exit. Its been a while since I prowled the gdb source. I may not be able to do anything automatic like you want -- but I sure wish that tool was available! ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
hooking up gdb (was Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....)
Well, one of the things I was going to ask next was for some help doing postmortem. We aren't getting any core files, even after setting ulimit correctly (although we could be setting it uncorrectly. I'll look into that further). Anyway, someone else in this list said that core dumps for threaded apps in Linux were mostly useless, so we aren't investing much energy in it anyway. With the short restart times we have, I'd prever a solution that didn't involve keeping a dead site dead for too long (as in, debugging with gdb). We are working in a ZEO scheme that would switch over the accelerator to proxy another zeo client, but we are not there yet. It would be ideal if we could instruct python to grab the SIG11, invoke gdb, get a C stacktrace for all threads and let Zope die in peace. If it all happend in a few seconds, we will still keep the client happy. So, to answer your question, yes, I am confortable hooking up gdb. I'd just prefer if it could be done in as little time as possible. Cheers, Leo On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 18:10, Matthew T. Kromer wrote: > > Leo, > > Are you comfortable with hooking up gdb to Zope to try to catch this? I > suspect, but do not know, that the MySQL python adapter is probably not > doing something right w.r.t. memory management. Unfortunately, it is > probably also the case that the problem only occurs with high-volume > traffic -- particularly if it is a timing related bug. > > We have not been able to reproduce this problem in any deterministic way > -- and the only people who seem to have it are those who are heavy MySQL > users; it makes me think there is something in the adapter which is not > behaving the same way under Python 2.1 than it did under Python 1.5.2. > I have not looked at the adapter, so I'm making a few guesses as what > is going wrong. > > -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....
Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: > >It's not fixed, but we managed to make it bearable so as not to lose the >client. > >by replacing LoginManager with exUserFolder we managed to bring down the >zope restart time from 5 min (we have a HUGE Data.fs) to 20 secs, and by >installing ZEO we brought down the restart time to between 2 and 8 secs. >By increasing the caching of requests we managed to increase the time >between restart from 15 min to 2 hours. That and a nicely formated >Apache error page for Proxy Errors, for the lucky bastards who happen to >hit the server in the exactly 2 seconds of restart, managed to calm down >the client enough for us to breath. > >I'll try the requestprofiler tip Chris gave, but I don't have much hope, >since we use mysql for authentication and the site is authenticated >mostly everywhere. > >We are seriously considering droping mysql for postgresql. > > Cheers, Leo > Leo, Are you comfortable with hooking up gdb to Zope to try to catch this? I suspect, but do not know, that the MySQL python adapter is probably not doing something right w.r.t. memory management. Unfortunately, it is probably also the case that the problem only occurs with high-volume traffic -- particularly if it is a timing related bug. We have not been able to reproduce this problem in any deterministic way -- and the only people who seem to have it are those who are heavy MySQL users; it makes me think there is something in the adapter which is not behaving the same way under Python 2.1 than it did under Python 1.5.2. I have not looked at the adapter, so I'm making a few guesses as what is going wrong. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT & Plain Text
Ulrich Eck wrote: > Hi out there :) > > >>How would you do repeating texts or conditional texts like this? I mean, > >>perhaps it's obvious; I haven't played enough with ZPT yet. > > Just for your info: > > there is one product that tries to address this problem: TERRY > http://www.zope.org/Members/lalo/TextTemplates > > It is a modified version of TAL that doesn't use XML but > a custom syntax: > > %(tal:content="here/fgcolor" black)% > > I don't now, if this makes things easier, but it would > ensure at least the use of TALES and has similar usage. Yes, TALES seems to be the way to go, unless we opt for a really micro-language dedicated to do only one thing and nothing more. I'm unconvinced I want to explain ZPT with omit-tag etc for someone just writing SQL, for instance, though. Looks worse and is harder to explain even than DTML, which is bad news. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Chris Withers wrote: > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > > > a mailing list, are needed at least to get contributors going. I had > > to ask about releasing ParsedXML several times until I got some kind of > > 'aye' out of anyone. And it still wasn't clear. I shouldn't have to > > be that persistent. > > Well, and now I'm being devils advocate, this is Open Source. > "Just do it" (now where have I heard that before ;-) That doesn't follow these guidelines: http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html with unclear ideas on how you actually get moved from Inception to Eleboration to Construction. I need to post to zope-dev and then wait for Inception->Elaboration to happen, and the 'maintainer of the software product in question' (who do I whine to if I don't know who this is in the first place?) will then just listen and pick up on it and do the editorial and technical review. In practice, I am not sure if any identifiable maintainer steps up, though I do get feedback from ZC people. This is more than just an 'aye', and I need to be persistent about that already.. >From Elaboration->Construction I just need "if everything is in order, a CVS branch will be created for the project team to start working on". By whom? Do fishbowl proposals commonly make it here? > If you do it wrong, whatever that means, someone will let you know, but you're > not breaking any lawas and activity, as you've shown with ParsedXML, is always > better than inactivity :-) I agree that I should just 'do it', but I'm not following the guidelines if I do it, and though I'm Dutch and toleration of not following the rules is institutional here, I also don't think it's the ideal situation. Either we work out who is maintainer for what and the fishbowl process for the *maintainers* is spelled out (the fishbowl introduction focuses much more on the artifacts to be produced than on the human aspects), or we scrap or completely overhaul the fishbowl process as we do something else anyway. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....
Sorry, I made an incorrect statement. see below. On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 17:26, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: > Hi Harald, > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 14:32, Harald Koschinski wrote: > > Daniel Duclos wrote: > > > > > I have a zope that is dumping signal 11 every 40 minutes or so. I have tried > > >recompile python 2.1.1 with-threads without-pymalloc, recompile Zope with it, > > >recompile ZPAtterns, recompile and instal MYSQL for Python 0.9.1, upgraded to > > >Zope 2.4.3, all this on a Debian Linux box. > > > Nothing changed... still restarting... > > > Anybody, please, has any ideia on this matter? > > > Please, let me know if there's any relevant info that I forgot to mention > > >abot my case! > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > > > > I have the same problem since we are live :-((( > > > > I have the same versions running like you and I tried the same to fix - > > but no change. > > > > What is your state with this problem. Fixed ? How? > > It's not fixed, but we managed to make it bearable so as not to lose the > client. > > by replacing LoginManager with exUserFolder we managed to bring down the > zope restart time from 5 min (we have a HUGE Data.fs) to 20 secs, and by > installing ZEO we brought down the restart time to between 2 and 8 secs. > By increasing the caching of requests we managed to increase the time > between restart from 15 min to 2 hours. that is incorrect. by recompiling Python without pymalloc we increased the time between restart from 15 min to 40 min, and by caching SQL requests we increased the time further to 2h between restarts. > That and a nicely formated > Apache error page for Proxy Errors, for the lucky bastards who happen to > hit the server in the exactly 2 seconds of restart, managed to calm down > the client enough for us to breath. > > I'll try the requestprofiler tip Chris gave, but I don't have much hope, > since we use mysql for authentication and the site is authenticated > mostly everywhere. > > We are seriously considering droping mysql for postgresql. > -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....
Hi Harald, On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 14:32, Harald Koschinski wrote: > Daniel Duclos wrote: > > > I have a zope that is dumping signal 11 every 40 minutes or so. I have tried > >recompile python 2.1.1 with-threads without-pymalloc, recompile Zope with it, > >recompile ZPAtterns, recompile and instal MYSQL for Python 0.9.1, upgraded to > >Zope 2.4.3, all this on a Debian Linux box. > > Nothing changed... still restarting... > > Anybody, please, has any ideia on this matter? > > Please, let me know if there's any relevant info that I forgot to mention > >abot my case! > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > I have the same problem since we are live :-((( > > I have the same versions running like you and I tried the same to fix - > but no change. > > What is your state with this problem. Fixed ? How? It's not fixed, but we managed to make it bearable so as not to lose the client. by replacing LoginManager with exUserFolder we managed to bring down the zope restart time from 5 min (we have a HUGE Data.fs) to 20 secs, and by installing ZEO we brought down the restart time to between 2 and 8 secs. By increasing the caching of requests we managed to increase the time between restart from 15 min to 2 hours. That and a nicely formated Apache error page for Proxy Errors, for the lucky bastards who happen to hit the server in the exactly 2 seconds of restart, managed to calm down the client enough for us to breath. I'll try the requestprofiler tip Chris gave, but I don't have much hope, since we use mysql for authentication and the site is authenticated mostly everywhere. We are seriously considering droping mysql for postgresql. Cheers, Leo -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....
You folks should turn on "big M" logging (via -M) and see if you see a pattern to when the system dumps core. You can use the utilities/requestprofiler script to analyze the big M log. - Original Message - From: "Harald Koschinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Daniel Duclos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "zope-dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts > Daniel Duclos wrote: > > > I have a zope that is dumping signal 11 every 40 minutes or so. I have tried > >recompile python 2.1.1 with-threads without-pymalloc, recompile Zope with it, > >recompile ZPAtterns, recompile and instal MYSQL for Python 0.9.1, upgraded to > >Zope 2.4.3, all this on a Debian Linux box. > > Nothing changed... still restarting... > > Anybody, please, has any ideia on this matter? > > Please, let me know if there's any relevant info that I forgot to mention > >abot my case! > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > I have the same problem since we are live :-((( > > I have the same versions running like you and I tried the same to fix - > but no change. > > What is your state with this problem. Fixed ? How? > > regards > > Harald > > > > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
> Wolfram Kerber wrote: > > > > Could you explain the problems that should be solved by this a little? > > The idea is to provide a flexible, scalable and powerful indexing solution that > works out of the box for Python, rather than Zope. > > > I > > find it rather hard to contribute anything useful without knowing some > > concrete examples ... > > Hehe, wait for the docs, which I'm hopefully gonna start checking in today... > > > Btw, i have a prototype Catalog that speeds up things a bit in usual > > scenarios. It is cacheable, implements an extended query interface and > > solves two performance issues with certain queries. I intend to put that > > into a proposal :-), but probably not until next week. If anybody wants to > > discuss that and/or take a look, just mail me. > > Well, I'd love to see this, where can I get the code? > Ok, i've put it here : http://www.gallileus.info/gallileus/members/m_wolf/publications/100756611705 /10075665840/protoCat.zip I should put together some doc about the changes as well ... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] absolute_url FTP upload and CatalogAware
Niclas Kuehne wrote: > When I upload a file of a certain class (HTMLDocument) that is > CatalogAware the entry in the catalog does not contain the real > absolute_url. Instead it shows > "http://myserver:21/Zope/Dir1/Dir2/object.html"; where "myserver" is the > hostname of the linux server, 21 is the FTP port used by Zope and Dir1 & > Dir2 are directories. When I clear the catalog and add the documents by > clicking "Find Objects" the absolute_url is correct. What is happening > here? Any help? Please don't post in HTML to this mailing list. Please do not post to both the zope-dev and [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. The problem is that you are using CatalogAware. Try using CatalogPathAware in its place. The CatalogAware mixin was written before Zope was improved to cope with virtual hosting. The replacement is CatalogPathAware, with CatalogAware kept around to support legacy systems. -- Steve Alexander ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More signal 11 restarts....
Daniel Duclos wrote: > I have a zope that is dumping signal 11 every 40 minutes or so. I have tried >recompile python 2.1.1 with-threads without-pymalloc, recompile Zope with it, >recompile ZPAtterns, recompile and instal MYSQL for Python 0.9.1, upgraded to >Zope 2.4.3, all this on a Debian Linux box. > Nothing changed... still restarting... > Anybody, please, has any ideia on this matter? > Please, let me know if there's any relevant info that I forgot to mention >abot my case! > Thanks in advance!! > I have the same problem since we are live :-((( I have the same versions running like you and I tried the same to fix - but no change. What is your state with this problem. Fixed ? How? regards Harald ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] absolute_url FTP upload and CatalogAware (PLAIN TEXT!)
When I upload a file of a certain class (HTMLDocument) that is CatalogAware the entry in the catalog does not contain the real absolute_url. Instead it shows "http://myserver:21/Zope/Dir1/Dir2/object.html"; where "myserver" is the hostname of the linux server, 21 is the FTP port used by Zope and Dir1 & Dir2 are directories. When I clear the catalog and add the documents by clicking "Find Objects" the absolute_url is correct. What is happening here? Any help? Niclas Kuehne Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT & Plain Text
Steve Alexander wrote: > > I guess you'd need to have a special page template interpreter that > knows that it isn't putting out SGML-style stuff. Indeed, you can, of course, use < amd & in the meantime if the HTML parser in ZPT does barf (which maybe it shouldn't?) Sounds like the content type in a page template could be very useful: if content_type='text/plain': self._parser = PlainTextTagParser() self._alls_ommit_tags=1 cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...
This isn't a Catalog error, it's a ZODB error. It appears that your ZODB data has beome inconsistent. You might want to try to run fsrecover.py against it after making a backup to see if it detects any errors. - Original Message - From: "Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: [Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ... > Hi! > > Any ZCatalog experts out there? > > I am suddenly getting this with a ZCatalog (it is actually a subclassed > version of the ZCatalog, almost a one-to-one copy of the CMF Catalog tool): > > -- > > Zope Error > Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. > > Error Type: KeyError > Error Value: -" > > > > > > > Troubleshooting Suggestions > > This resource may be trying to reference a nonexistent object or variable - > ". > The URL may be incorrect. > The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. > A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error. > For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML > source for this page. > > If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your > patience. > > > Traceback (innermost last): > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, > line 224, in publish_module > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, > line 187, in publish > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line > 226, in zpublisher_exception_hook > (Object: TransparencySupport) > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, > line 171, in publish > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, > line 160, in mapply > (Object: manage_addSmartTextBlock) > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, > line 112, in call_object > (Object: manage_addSmartTextBlock) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/ SmartT > extBlock.py, line 63, in manage_addSmartTextBlock > (Object: TransparencySupport) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/ SmartS > ectionElement.py, line 30, in manage_addSectionElement > (Object: TransparencySupport) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/OrderedFolder/ Ordere > dObjectManager.py, line 118, in _setObject > (Object: TransparencySupport) > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, > line 330, in _setObject > (Object: TransparencySupport) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/ SmartS > ectionElement.py, line 177, in manage_afterAdd > (Object: ElementWithAttributes) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/ SmartS > ectionElement.py, line 172, in manage_routineTasks > (Object: ElementWithAttributes) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/ SmartS > ection.py, line 89, in contentIndexObject > (Object: TransparencySupport) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/Kontentor/Kata log.py > , line 130, in indexObject > (Object: LockableItem) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCata log.py > , line 498, in catalog_object > (Object: LockableItem) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catal og.py, > line 438, in catalogObject > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/ TextIn > dex/TextIndex.py, line 381, in index_object > (Object: PluggableIndex) > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/ TextIn > dex/GlobbingLexicon.py, line 166, in getWordId > File > /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/ TextIn > dex/GlobbingLexicon.py, line 206, in assignWordId > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, > line 519, in setstate > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, > line 588, in load > (Object: /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/var/Data.fs) > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, > line 584, in _load > (Object: /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/var/Data.fs) > File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, > line 1905, in _loadBack > KeyError: (see above) > > > - > > > Very strange, as it seems to be a rather low-level error. Any hints? > > Joachim > > > > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http:/
[Zope-dev] absolute_url FTP upload and CatalogAware
Title: absolute_url FTP upload and CatalogAware When I upload a file of a certain class (HTMLDocument) that is CatalogAware the entry in the catalog does not contain the real absolute_url. Instead it shows "http://myserver:21/Zope/Dir1/Dir2/object.html" where "myserver" is the hostname of the linux server, 21 is the FTP port used by Zope and Dir1 & Dir2 are directories. When I clear the catalog and add the documents by clicking "Find Objects" the absolute_url is correct. What is happening here? Any help? Niclas Kuehne Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...
Hi! Any ZCatalog experts out there? I am suddenly getting this with a ZCatalog (it is actually a subclassed version of the ZCatalog, almost a one-to-one copy of the CMF Catalog tool): -- Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Value: -" Troubleshooting Suggestions This resource may be trying to reference a nonexistent object or variable - ". The URL may be incorrect. The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error. For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML source for this page. If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your patience. Traceback (innermost last): File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 224, in publish_module File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 226, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: manage_addSmartTextBlock) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object (Object: manage_addSmartTextBlock) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartT extBlock.py, line 63, in manage_addSmartTextBlock (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ectionElement.py, line 30, in manage_addSectionElement (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/OrderedFolder/Ordere dObjectManager.py, line 118, in _setObject (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 330, in _setObject (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ectionElement.py, line 177, in manage_afterAdd (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ectionElement.py, line 172, in manage_routineTasks (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/SmartSections/SmartS ection.py, line 89, in contentIndexObject (Object: TransparencySupport) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/Kontentor/Katalog.py , line 130, in indexObject (Object: LockableItem) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.py , line 498, in catalog_object (Object: LockableItem) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.py, line 438, in catalogObject File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIn dex/TextIndex.py, line 381, in index_object (Object: PluggableIndex) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIn dex/GlobbingLexicon.py, line 166, in getWordId File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIn dex/GlobbingLexicon.py, line 206, in assignWordId File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 519, in setstate File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 588, in load (Object: /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/var/Data.fs) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 584, in _load (Object: /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/var/Data.fs) File /home/ftp/root/kue-projekt/dev_8080/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 1905, in _loadBack KeyError: (see above) - Very strange, as it seems to be a rather low-level error. Any hints? Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Casey Duncan wrote: > > I posted a few references I found around the web on > info retrieval and indexing to the s'forge doc area. SF understands HTML, not structured text ;-) > I > think Chris'll need to "approve" them first I think > before they are publically accessible. Yeah, you can do this now too... > Chris: Do I have commit privs to the CVS? If so, I'll > start helping out with some requirements and whatever > other documentation we need. You do now :-) Please have a look at the 'Documentation' module and commit any changes you wanna make on a branch :-) > Also, we should probably create a prototypes or > some-such directory in the CVS for existing code. I've created a SourceForge Tracker for this and put up mine and Marcus' Collins' prototype SQLIndexer there... > I > have a couple of things that can go up there for > reference or just as samples. Cool :-) > Also Chris, please create a mailing list for the > project. http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/pythonindexer-discuss Can anyone who's interested please sign up to that... cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT & Plain Text
Chris Withers wrote: > > Chris -- more and more a ZPT-ONLY! fan each day... How would you email someone some output from the Python interactive interpreter? In other words, how do you get a naked < or > or & in a plain-text ZPT? I guess you'd need to have a special page template interpreter that knows that it isn't putting out SGML-style stuff. -- Steve Alexander ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Wild and crazzzzy idea: Hierarchial permissions
Limiting the list of products in the Add Object list can be done currently using my PatchKit product - http://www.zope.org/Members/haqa/PatchKit (It does some other stuff too) Adrian... - Original Message - From: "Oliver Bleutgen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Wild and cray idea: Hierarchial permissions Lennart Regebro wrote: > The list of permissions is getting quite long. It's the basic permissions of > Zope, plus the ones for our CM system. And we haven't even integrated CMF > with it (which we may or may not do in the future). > > To make things easier to find we have names all our permissions "Easy > ". I then got the idea that the permission list could be > hierarchial or filtered or grouped or something. All permissions would have > another setting to specify it group. That way the Zope base permissions > could be grouped together into a "Zope Base" persmission group. We could > group our in an "Torped Easy Publisher" permission group, and so on. > > Good idea or stupid? Well, for your use you could just hardcode some permission "groups" and include them in the dtml-file which resembles zopes security screen. A little bit javascript and selecting one of your groups would automagically be checked when you check one of your groups. What I'm missig more is flexibility for the "Add object" mechanism. The possibility to install products not globally, but locally for a folder and it's subfolders and some hierachical sorting of "add type" selectbox. Perhaps the tree could be (ab-)used to get a structure like + text product - DTML Document - DTML Method + Images, Files - Image - File + SQL Stuff - ZSQL Method - PoPy Database Connection - Search Interface etc To get back to the topic, perhaps your wishes and mine could be combined: A permissions group for "edit text products" which would automatically select the right permissions. cheers, oliver ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
I posted a few references I found around the web on info retrieval and indexing to the s'forge doc area. I think Chris'll need to "approve" them first I think before they are publically accessible. Chris: Do I have commit privs to the CVS? If so, I'll start helping out with some requirements and whatever other documentation we need. Also, we should probably create a prototypes or some-such directory in the CVS for existing code. I have a couple of things that can go up there for reference or just as samples. Also Chris, please create a mailing list for the project. And grant me admin to whatever you want to, I can certainly help administer the project as well. ttfn, Casey --- Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Casey Duncan wrote: > > > > Chris, hows about adding me to this project, my > > s'forge username is cduncan. > > done... lemme know if ya need anything else :-) > > Chris > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT & Plain Text
I was about to mention TERRY, but Ulrich beat me to it. One nice thing about TERRY is that it allows you to change the markup simbols. For instance it is entirely possible to use: (which, by the way, is a semi-standard way to do extentions to html and looks like php escapes) instead of %(tal:content="here/fgcolor" black)% However I think there still isn't an easy, thru the web, way to change the markup signals. On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 09:41, Ulrich Eck wrote: > Hi out there :) > > >> > >> How would you do repeating texts or conditional texts like this? I mean, > >> perhaps it's obvious; I haven't played enough with ZPT yet. > > > > Just for your info: > > there is one product that tries to address this problem: TERRY > http://www.zope.org/Members/lalo/TextTemplates > > It is a modified version of TAL that doesn't use XML but > a custom syntax: > > %(tal:content="here/fgcolor" black)% > > I don't now, if this makes things easier, but it would > ensure at least the use of TALES and has similar usage. > > > > >> I also think this looks rather unnatural when doing email templates or > >> SQL templates. > > > > I used to think that, I'm quickly changing positions. Perhaps the only > > option I'd like is a check box somewhere on the template object saying > > something like "always include tal:omit-tag by default. Then I reckon it > > could do for everything :-) > > > > cheers, > > > > Chris -- more and more a ZPT-ONLY! fan each day... > > > YES :))) One Template-Language for all: ZPT > .. and one Expression Syntax as well: TALES .. -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT & Plain Text
Hi out there :) >> >> How would you do repeating texts or conditional texts like this? I mean, >> perhaps it's obvious; I haven't played enough with ZPT yet. > Just for your info: there is one product that tries to address this problem: TERRY http://www.zope.org/Members/lalo/TextTemplates It is a modified version of TAL that doesn't use XML but a custom syntax: %(tal:content="here/fgcolor" black)% I don't now, if this makes things easier, but it would ensure at least the use of TALES and has similar usage. > >> I also think this looks rather unnatural when doing email templates or >> SQL templates. > > I used to think that, I'm quickly changing positions. Perhaps the only > option I'd like is a check box somewhere on the template object saying > something like "always include tal:omit-tag by default. Then I reckon it > could do for everything :-) > > cheers, > > Chris -- more and more a ZPT-ONLY! fan each day... YES :))) One Template-Language for all: ZPT .. and one Expression Syntax as well: TALES .. cheers Ulrich Eck --- net-labs Systemhaus GmbH Ebersberger Str. 46 85570 Markt Schwaben fon: +49-8121-4747-11 fax: +49-8121-4747-77 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.net-labs.de ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT & Plain Text
Martijn Faassen wrote: > > How would you do repeating texts or conditional texts like this? I mean, > perhaps it's obvious; I haven't played enough with ZPT yet. repeat: I am condition: You have objects in your basket Your basket is empty > I also think this looks rather unnatural when doing email templates or SQL > templates. I used to think that, I'm quickly changing positions. Perhaps the only option I'd like is a check box somewhere on the template object saying something like "always include tal:omit-tag by default. Then I reckon it could do for everything :-) cheers, Chris -- more and more a ZPT-ONLY! fan each day... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Exceptions and translation
Seb Bacon schrieb: > > From: Trevor Toenjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > This proposal is dead-on to make the errors more accessible and > > customizable. This is the solution to some of my previous error_message > > threads. > > > > How do we move this from proposal to project? > > We need to define the scope very clearly. Please add your ideas to the Wiki > :) I have added my ideas to the wiki, i hope all english-speaking poeple understand it. :) thanks > > > Why not start with a less ambitious first phase of opening up Exceptions > > control as a "product". How about a Folder attribute or a > > standard_error_message controller? > > This is a very good idea. One risk is that because it should work with > string-based exceptions, it might *encourage* people to continue to work > with string-based exceptions. > > We would also need to fix the 'errors outside html' and 'hardcoded errors' > problems as part of the project, I think. > > seb > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Martijn Faassen wrote: > > a mailing list, are needed at least to get contributors going. I had > to ask about releasing ParsedXML several times until I got some kind of > 'aye' out of anyone. And it still wasn't clear. I shouldn't have to > be that persistent. Well, and now I'm being devils advocate, this is Open Source. "Just do it" (now where have I heard that before ;-) If you do it wrong, whatever that means, someone will let you know, but you're not breaking any lawas and activity, as you've shown with ParsedXML, is always better than inactivity :-) > Anyway, I'm not really complaining about ZC; I have a lot of > admiration for what you're doing and the steps you've already taken are > not mere baby steps at all from my perspective. +5 It feels like Zope's had a huge shot in the arm in the last few days, so I guess we need to send AKM some beer... ;-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Wolfram Kerber wrote: > > Could you explain the problems that should be solved by this a little? The idea is to provide a flexible, scalable and powerful indexing solution that works out of the box for Python, rather than Zope. > I > find it rather hard to contribute anything useful without knowing some > concrete examples ... Hehe, wait for the docs, which I'm hopefully gonna start checking in today... > Btw, i have a prototype Catalog that speeds up things a bit in usual > scenarios. It is cacheable, implements an extended query interface and > solves two performance issues with certain queries. I intend to put that > into a proposal :-), but probably not until next week. If anybody wants to > discuss that and/or take a look, just mail me. Well, I'd love to see this, where can I get the code? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
