[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] change date vs. save date

2002-10-30 Thread Toby Dickenson
 I agree. Is there any reason for ZODB to actually keep timestamps rather
 than just use serial version ids?

Most storages need a timestamp anyway for time-related packing.

 (I understand calls to get the system tiem are expensive, incrementing an
 integer number by one should be somewhat less expensive...)

No more expensive than any other OS call. ZODB currently uses only a few calls 
to time() per transaction, so there is little to be saved.



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[Zope-dev] using dtml-in to call zsql method

2002-10-30 Thread Fionan King



i am using the dtml-in tag to call a zsql 
method
based on the results of this query i call 
aanother dtml document.
however i am getting a error when i submit the form 
it trys to download the page it is calling next is this a common 
error?
Is there any other way i can call a zsql method and 
make the results available to the rest of a dtml document without using the 
dtml-in?
heres the code i am using

dtml-in 
expr="sql_query_cust_request_authorize(CustName=CustName,userName=userName,password=password)"dtml-if 
db_username dtml-call 
expr="sql_query_cust_request_authorize(CustName=CustName,userName=userName,password=password,policies='mainUser')" 
dtml-if db_policies dtml-var 
send_customer_request dtml-else 
Here2 dtml-var cust_authorize_fail 
/dtml-ifdtml-else dtml-var 
cust_authorize_fail/dtml-if/dtml-in
cheers




Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1 Plan?

2002-10-30 Thread Chris Withers
Ross J. Reedstrom wrote:

It what world do you live, and can I move there? 

You miss the point ;-)

The flurry to get features into a 'stable' release is what I was on about.
If you flurry, the release won't be stable.

I like the pattern of having stable releases and CVS or nightly builds for 
people who want the latest and greatest. That way everyone gets to contribute 
easily and freely and yet we still get truly stable versions.

Maybe not to the extent of having seperate 'dev' and 'stable' streams a la 
Linux, but that's a good feeling in essence.

Still, the overarching thing is release early and often. The fewer features in 
each release, the fewer problems of I need this feature, but that means I also 
have to accept this one that I don't trust

cheers,

Chris


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Re: [Zope-dev] My 2.6.0 feature patch didn't make it!?

2002-10-30 Thread Chris Withers
Brad Clements wrote:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures

But the passive port range patch didn't make it into 2.6


Do you have CVS access?

cheers,

Chris


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[Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-30 Thread Stefan H. Holek
I'd like to know what happened to this proposal:
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage

Is the WebServices package (CVS) working? Any technical reason why it was 
discontinued?

Thanks,
Stefan

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Re: [Zope-dev] My 2.6.0 feature patch didn't make it!?

2002-10-30 Thread Brad Clements
On 30 Oct 2002 at 11:25, Chris Withers wrote:

 Brad Clements wrote:
  http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures
  
  But the passive port range patch didn't make it into 2.6
 
 Do you have CVS access?

No. I emailed both sets of patches to .. Brian (?) at the same time.



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Re: [Zope-dev] My 2.6.0 feature patch didn't make it!?

2002-10-30 Thread Andreas Jung
Better put the patches at a public place (member area on zope.org).

-aj

--On Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2002 08:57 -0500 Brad Clements 
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On 30 Oct 2002 at 11:25, Chris Withers wrote:


Brad Clements wrote:
 http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures

 But the passive port range patch didn't make it into 2.6

Do you have CVS access?


No. I emailed both sets of patches to .. Brian (?) at the same time.



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Re: [Zope-dev] [ANN] Proposal: Integration of reStructuredText into Zope

2002-10-30 Thread Yusei TAHARA
Hi.

+2

I like this Proposal very much.
It allow to use multibyte charctor in document:-)

Regards.

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Re: [Zope-dev] [ANN] Proposal: Integration of reStructuredText intoZope

2002-10-30 Thread Andreas Jung
Really ? Did you made some experiences with unicode/utf-8
and restructuredtext?

-aj

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Hi.

+2

I like this Proposal very much.
It allow to use multibyte charctor in document:-)

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RE: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Lloyd
 I'd like to know what happened to this proposal:
 http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage

 Is the WebServices package (CVS) working? Any technical reason why it was
 discontinued?

 Thanks,
 Stefan

I'd still like to see that get finished one day. What happened is
that a) there are no paying customers driving continued development
and b) I haven't had any extra time to devote to it for a long
while.

Parts of it are working (see the unit tests for info). As for
technical reasons, the next big step is to parse and model
XML Schema info. There is not currently (or at least there wasn't
last I checked) a drop-in library for this that exposed what I
felt would be needed, and I definitely don't have the time to
implement one :)

An alternative would be to implement interfaces similar to what
Apache's Axis does (punt and let the programmer figure it out)
when faced with non-simple data types.

There are enough technologies (and constant changes to those
technologies) in the WS world that it requires real stakeholders,
people who use WS as a part of their day job to keep up
and manage a real-world usable Web Services package. Right now
I don't use WS in my day job, so I'm not that guy.

I've had a number of people inquire about the status of the package,
but so far no one willing to volunteer to move things forward. If
you (or anyone else) is interested, I'd be happy to provide any
guidance I can.



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Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1 Plan?

2002-10-30 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Chris Withers wrote:
 The flurry to get features into a 'stable' release is what I was on about.
 If you flurry, the release won't be stable.

 I like the pattern of having stable releases and CVS or nightly builds for
 people who want the latest and greatest. That way everyone gets to contribute
 easily and freely and yet we still get truly stable versions.

That's how FreeBSD tries to handle it (except that you do your
own nightly builds if you want that).  But every time, just before freature
freeze time, there is a flurry of commits.   Once feature freeze happens,
however, there are only bug fixes.

Likewise, with Zope my impression is that once the Beta is cut, we are in
feature freeze.  Now, ZC may not have operated that way in the past *entirely*,
but I think we should from now on.

A flurry of commits *before* feature freeze seems unaviodable, however.
That's what deadlines are for, after all grin.

--RDM


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Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1 Plan?

2002-10-30 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 04:22  AM, Chris Withers wrote:


Ross J. Reedstrom wrote:

It what world do you live, and can I move there?


You miss the point ;-)

The flurry to get features into a 'stable' release is what I was on 
about.
If you flurry, the release won't be stable.

I like the pattern of having stable releases and CVS or nightly builds 
for people who want the latest and greatest. That way everyone gets to 
contribute easily and freely and yet we still get truly stable 
versions.

Maybe not to the extent of having seperate 'dev' and 'stable' streams 
a la Linux, but that's a good feeling in essence.

Still, the overarching thing is release early and often. The fewer 
features in each release, the fewer problems of I need this feature, 
but that means I also have to accept this one that I don't trust

But release often is a BITCH for software configuration management.  
Good for developers, bad for deployers.


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Re: [Zope-dev] My 2.6.0 feature patch didn't make it!?

2002-10-30 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 07:07  AM, Andreas Jung wrote:


Better put the patches at a public place (member area on zope.org).


Or a collector issue, since they do allow file attachments.


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RE: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1 Plan?

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Lloyd
 
 Likewise, with Zope my impression is that once the Beta is cut, we are in
 feature freeze.  Now, ZC may not have operated that way in the 
 past *entirely*,
 but I think we should from now on.
 
 A flurry of commits *before* feature freeze seems unaviodable, however.
 That's what deadlines are for, after all grin.
 
 --RDM

That has indeed been the case in my experience.

Another aspect of this that might not be apparent if you are not 
the one who happens to be trying to manage the release process is 
that there is always a delicate balance between enforcing the 
letter of the law and making concessions to ensure that being 
a contributor is a rewarding experience rather than a frustrating 
one. 

Some things have to be taken on a case-by-case basis, and I can say 
with some authority that no matter what you choose, some people will 
praise you and some people will blast you for it :)

Keep in mind, too, that the 2.6 release is really the first release 
that has had anywhere *near* this level of community contribution, 
so some rough edges should be expected. There is still plenty for 
all of us to learn.

P.S. - I'm planning to do a little revamp of the dev homepage by 
the end of this week to simplify a few things and hopefully make 
it easier to know what's going on, as well as posting the plans 
for 2.6.1 and much-misunderstood 2.7.



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