Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Book call for assistance
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 19:13, Tino Wildenhain wrote: > These are exactly the things you shouldn't neither do in DTML > nor in ZPT :-) What do you suggest people use for a templating language for email, JavaScript, SQL, etc? I think it's too much to expect them to use Python to do this (esp. wrt SQL methods). > I'd start the lessons with ZPT to only show static content > and may be macros. > Then the logical order would be introduction to python > scripts without HTML output - only show how they are > used to calculate and output simple values, lists, > dictionaries and so on. > Next chapter should show how one uses the scripts with > ZPT to provide output into HTML. > Then the usual things like Catalog, ZSQL, important > API parts, etc. > > Don't you think this would be clearer for the beginner? Sure. I'd love to rewrite the entirety of the Zope Book. But please notice that I'm asking for help finishing the existing chapters, so I don't think this is a realistic goal. - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Book call for assistance
Hi Chris, --On Freitag, 6. Dezember 2002 09:50 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: erm... would "advanced DTML" not be the short sentence: "avoid DTML where you can"? ;) That'd be ok, except that DTML can of course do things that ZPT can't, yada yada yada. These are exactly the things you shouldn't neither do in DTML nor in ZPT :-) I'd start the lessons with ZPT to only show static content and may be macros. Then the logical order would be introduction to python scripts without HTML output - only show how they are used to calculate and output simple values, lists, dictionaries and so on. Next chapter should show how one uses the scripts with ZPT to provide output into HTML. Then the usual things like Catalog, ZSQL, important API parts, etc. Don't you think this would be clearer for the beginner? Regards Tino Btw. did you think of putting the whole DTML stuff at the end for reference only to help migrating old products and turn the whole thing a bit around so beginners get a clear path of Zope development? I found it a bit confusing when I edited the german translation of the 2.3 book a year ago. That's probably a good idea. But I think the rewritten chapters explain when to use ZPT and when to use DTML. And DTML still needs to be given some attention for the reason I say above... - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Book call for assistance
> erm... would "advanced DTML" not be the short sentence: > "avoid DTML where you can"? ;) That'd be ok, except that DTML can of course do things that ZPT can't, yada yada yada. > Btw. did you think of putting the whole DTML stuff at the end for > reference only to help migrating old products and turn the > whole thing a bit around so beginners get a clear path of > Zope development? I found it a bit confusing when I edited > the german translation of the 2.3 book a year ago. That's probably a good idea. But I think the rewritten chapters explain when to use ZPT and when to use DTML. And DTML still needs to be given some attention for the reason I say above... - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] [DateIndex bug] catalog related, already post on collector
Product DateIndex.py,v 1.7 2002/08/14 22:19:27 Using DateIndex on CMF1.3 An owerflow error is raised from DateIndex product on line 187 indexing the date fields of products deriving from DefaultDublinCoreImpl class. (almost all CMF products) 187: t_val = ( ( ( ( yr * 12 + mo ) * 31 + dy ) * 24 + hr ) * 60 + mn ) The t_val value exceed int limit (2147483647) because the DefaultDublinCoreImpl set, for object that never expire, the value: __CEILING_DATE = DateTime( , 0 ). -- Paolo Galati - [ n o z e S.r.l. ] Via Giuntini, 25/29 - 56023 Navacchio - Cascina (PI) Tel +39 (0)50 754380 - Fax +39 (0)50 754381 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.noze.it ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Book call for assistance
Hi, --On Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2002 23:20 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Advanced DTML: < http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/AdvDTML.stx erm... would "advanced DTML" not be the short sentence: "avoid DTML where you can"? ;) Btw. did you think of putting the whole DTML stuff at the end for reference only to help migrating old products and turn the whole thing a bit around so beginners get a clear path of Zope development? I found it a bit confusing when I edited the german translation of the 2.3 book a year ago. Regards Tino ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
