[Zope-dev] PCGI?
I'm wondering how PCGI should be supported in Zope moving forward. We currently have: - A PCGI server in ZServer - A pcgi directory that contains: o A cgi program that is very thin and whos only job is to forward requests to an app server running pcgi o An unused PCGI "publisher", which would be used by a Python application server that wasn't running ZServer. o A debugging tool named MrCreosote. I don't know if anyone is using this. I'd like to continue supporting PCGI in ZServer as long as it is used. I'd like to omit the pcgi directory fron the Zope distribution and make it a separate distribution. Would anyone object to these changes for Zope 2.7? Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (888) 344-4332http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
Jim Fulton wrote at 2003-2-13 11:30 -0500: > I'm wondering how PCGI should be supported in Zope moving forward. Do we still need it? I would prefer to drop it (to reduce complexity). Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
How about making it a separately downloadable add-on like LocalFS, Squishdot, etc. etc. --Craeg > Jim Fulton wrote at 2003-2-13 11:30 -0500: > > I'm wondering how PCGI should be supported in Zope moving forward. > Do we still need it? > > I would prefer to drop it (to reduce complexity). > > > Dieter > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
But mostly I thought PCGI (and FastCGI) was the preferred way, since it is covered in detail in Zope's doc/WEBSERVER.TXT and neither mod_proxy nor mod_redirect are mentioned in there. ;-) Unfortunately thats more a matter of documentation inertia more than anything. There are more articles on Zope.org about PCGI as well simply because it has been around the longest, although almost everyone I know runs through mod_proxy nowadays. -- Andy McKay ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
Having only ever used Zope-behind-PCGI myself, if we drop it, what would be the prevailing approach for running Zope behind Apache? Has everyone switched to FastCGI (or Quixote's SCGI) but me? Be aware that there are Zope-specific patches (some of which I provided) in the version of PCGI that Zope ships with, so you can't refer everyone to the non-Zope version of PCGI available elsewhere on the web. The patches relate to error handling and meaningful reporting, not core functionality. -Jeff Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2003-2-13 11:30 -0500: > I'm wondering how PCGI should be supported in Zope moving forward. Do we still need it? I would prefer to drop it (to reduce complexity). ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
Hi I have always run Zope behind Apache utilising mod_proxy. I have to admit I never tried or really even evaluated pcgi, and don't build it when I install Zope. Is there a benefit of pcgi over using mod_proxy ? Rgds Tim Hoffman On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 09:16, Jeff Rush wrote: > Having only ever used Zope-behind-PCGI myself, if we drop it, what would > be the prevailing approach for running Zope behind Apache? Has everyone > switched to FastCGI (or Quixote's SCGI) but me? > > Be aware that there are Zope-specific patches (some of which I provided) > in the version of PCGI that Zope ships with, so you can't refer everyone > to the non-Zope version of PCGI available elsewhere on the web. The > patches relate to error handling and meaningful reporting, not core > functionality. > > -Jeff > > > Dieter Maurer wrote: > > Jim Fulton wrote at 2003-2-13 11:30 -0500: > > > I'm wondering how PCGI should be supported in Zope moving forward. > > Do we still need it? > > > > I would prefer to drop it (to reduce complexity). > > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
[me] > AFAIK most people use Apache's mod_redirect to a Zope HTTP server > running at (e.g.) port 8000. No additional software needed. I meant mod_proxy of course. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
> Having only ever used Zope-behind-PCGI myself, if we drop it, what would > be the prevailing approach for running Zope behind Apache? Has everyone > switched to FastCGI (or Quixote's SCGI) but me? AFAIK most people use Apache's mod_redirect to a Zope HTTP server running at (e.g.) port 8000. No additional software needed. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] PCGI?
I had thought (obviously incorrectly) that mod_proxy was hard to configure correctly to pass all headers, particularly in complex virtual hosting scenarios. But I'm no Apache expert. And I thought that mod_redirect added overhead to every request, doing the redirect cycle via the browser. It also exposed the port 8000-based Zope to direct access, which some admin's might not want. But mostly I thought PCGI (and FastCGI) was the preferred way, since it is covered in detail in Zope's doc/WEBSERVER.TXT and neither mod_proxy nor mod_redirect are mentioned in there. ;-) I just figured PCGI was cleaner and let me delegate responsibility to each hosting client, to manage their own CGI-BIN stuff w/o access to Apache's config files.. So if we drop PCGI, we'll need an action item to rework that file and perhaps ZopeBook et. al. -Jeff Tim Hoffman wrote: I have always run Zope behind Apache utilising mod_proxy. I have to admit I never tried or really even evaluated pcgi, and don't build it when I install Zope. Is there a benefit of pcgi over using mod_proxy ? Guido van Rossum wrote: > > AFAIK most people use Apache's mod_redirect to a Zope HTTP server > running at (e.g.) port 8000. No additional software needed. On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 09:16, Jeff Rush wrote: Having only ever used Zope-behind-PCGI myself, if we drop it, what would be the prevailing approach for running Zope behind Apache? Has everyone switched to FastCGI (or Quixote's SCGI) but me? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
