[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Proposal: cvs to subversion transition May 11 (?)
On Wednesday 05 May 2004 01:59 am, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm thinking of trying again to do the cvs to svn conversion of the main-line development branches (cvs heads) on Tusday May 11. This would entail moving ZODB, Zope 2, and Zope 3 head development to subversion (along with ZConfig, zdaemon, and zLOG). +1 -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com PythonLabs at Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] RFC: Multi-Databases
(reply-to set to zodb-dev) In the long term, this will allow is to *finally* support cross database references. Your proposal describes an unfamiliar kind of reference. In unix filesystem terms, it mixes characteristics of hard links and symbolic links. Like hard links it directly references the inode/oid. The reference doent need to have a filename/object reference from the root of the referenced filesystem/database. Like symbolic links it does not prevent garbage collection from freeing the inode/oid. So there does need to BE a filename/object reference from the root of the referenced filesystem/database it needs to exist, but the reference doesnt need to have it. (by 'object reference' above I mean a chain of normal object references like we have in normal python and zodb today) Right now I cant think of a use case for this new type of reference (either in a filesystem or zodb database). Can you give some examples? -- Toby Dickenson ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.X Session problems
Kris Erickson wrote: Per this thread that seems to have been dropped (MaxTransientObjectsExceeded Error); This means more unique users have accessed your site than the maximum configured number of sessions. Go to the session data container objectin the the temp folder and tweak the config so that the number of sessions allowed matches the number of people using your Zope instance... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Mailing Log Entries in 2.7
Fred Drake wrote: That's not currently possible, though it wouldn't be hard to add. Perhaps some future ZConfig revision would add this. Surely ZConfig alredy allows this, it's just Zope's use of ZConfig that needs to support it? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows
Jim Fulton wrote: I'd be happy to set up a nightly (or weekly, let me know which would be better) scheduled task (see, it's Widnows, there is no Cron, although Schedules Tasks do have a much nicer UI ;-) ) that checked out he latest HEAD of Zope 3, compiled it and PUT it up to my Zope.org member area I think that would be super. Nightly would be best. Okay, added to the bottom of a sadly very long list :-S Do you have to go through all of that? Couldn't you put it up as a zip file, using ZMI, rather than CMF API's? As a mere mortal member and not-yet-signer of litigious paperwork, am I allowed ZMI access? I think making the binaries available will widen the pool of people who could fix windows problems. Really? I would have thought they'd need ot be able to compile :-S Don't confuse caring with time and priorities. I care about having Zope 3 run on Windows, and Mac OS X, and other platforms. I don't have time to do that though. I think it would be appropriate for others to help by working on windows and Mac OS X (etc.) issues. Indeed. Although the stuff which stopped me was shear carelessness (things like just using unix path seperators rather that os.path.join, etc)... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Subversion
Tim Peters wrote: svn's story is much better (perfect, in fact) when forgetting to add eol-style: regardless of which kind of platform did the commit, the property can be added after the fact by anyone, and svn will automatically repair working copies on all platforms. Because (most) svn properties are versioned, adding eol-style is enough to convince svn that pre-eol-style copies are out of date. Nobody even needs to bother running dos2unix or unix2dos; just adding the property is enough (and when the person who adds the property commits the change, svn fiddles the line ends on their working copy (if needed) by magic too). Cool :-) Glad to find this one is a non-issue! Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Subversion
Chris Withers wrote: Tim Peters wrote: svn's story is much better (perfect, in fact) when forgetting to add eol-style: regardless of which kind of platform did the commit, the property can be added after the fact by anyone, and svn will automatically repair working copies on all platforms. Because (most) svn properties are versioned, adding eol-style is enough to convince svn that pre-eol-style copies are out of date. Nobody even needs to bother running dos2unix or unix2dos; just adding the property is enough (and when the person who adds the property commits the change, svn fiddles the line ends on their working copy (if needed) by magic too). Cool :-) Glad to find this one is a non-issue! Well... Non-issue it is not. But it makes it much less of an issue. It would still be nice to have server-side configurations of defalts, though. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.X Session problems
Chris Withers wrote: Kris Erickson wrote: Per this thread that seems to have been dropped (MaxTransientObjectsExceeded Error); This means more unique users have accessed your site than the maximum configured number of sessions. Go to the session data container objectin the the temp folder and tweak the config so that the number of sessions allowed matches the number of people using your Zope instance... In Zope 2.7, you need to set the corresponding environment variable (see doc/ENVIRONMENT.txt) to make the change persistent (it doesn't do much good to set the value on the TemporaryStorage!) In Zope = 2.7, zope.conf has a setting for this value. Tres. -- === Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zope Corporation Zope Dealers http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [ZODB-Dev] RE: [Zope-Coders] RE: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] ATTENTION! cvs tosubversion transitiontomorrow
Tim Peters wrote: snip much pain and suffering This, btw, is why I prefer the: svn co https:// ...protocol. Will this be supported? cheers, Chris - who suddenly wonder how the hell you get https to use key-based auth :-S -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: cvs to subversion transition May 11 (?)
On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 02:59, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: [...] I'm thinking of trying again to do the cvs to svn conversion of the main-line development branches (cvs heads) on Tusday May 11. This would entail moving ZODB, Zope 2, and Zope 3 head development to subversion (along with ZConfig, zdaemon, and zLOG). Any objections? Isn't that the day of the next ZC IRC session? How will that be affected by the migration? Cheers, Leo -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [ZODB-Dev] RE: [Zope-Coders] RE: [Zope-dev] Re: ATTENTION! cvs tosubversion transitiontomorrow
Chris Withers wrote: Tim Peters wrote: snip much pain and suffering This, btw, is why I prefer the: svn co https:// ...protocol. Will this be supported? No. We discussed this already: the WebDAV stuff is slow, and has much weaker authentication semantics; it would also require us to go into the business of issuing SSL certificates. Tres. -- === Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zope Corporation Zope Dealers http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Segfault and Deadlock
Carl Witty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/04/2004 08:18:52 PM: I don't think it should be tested for in configure (or at compile-time at all). People will want to have binary distributions that work both with LinuxThreads and NPTL; some people actually switch back and forth on an application-by-application basis. It would be much better to check at runtime. You do have some good points. I did implement the compile time check, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=948614group_id=5470atid=305470 but I can see if I can rework it in a way that wouldn't adversely affect other systems or NPTL systems. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Mailing Log Entries in 2.7
Regarding putting more information in email's generated using email-notifier sections, I wrote: That's not currently possible, though it wouldn't be hard to add. Perhaps some future ZConfig revision would add this. On Wednesday 05 May 2004 05:41 am, Chris Withers responded: Surely ZConfig alredy allows this, it's just Zope's use of ZConfig that needs to support it? The configuration of the logging is handled using a ZConfig component that's actually bundled with ZConfig itself on the Zope 2 head; it's in the package ZConfig.components.logger. This allows any project using ZConfig to use the same basic logging support; we actually have several projects using ZConfig outside the application server. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com PythonLabs at Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Mailing Log Entries in 2.7
Fred Drake wrote:
The configuration of the logging is handled using a ZConfig component that's
actually bundled with ZConfig itself on the Zope 2 head; it's in the package
ZConfig.components.logger. This allows any project using ZConfig to use the
same basic logging support; we actually have several projects using ZConfig
outside the application server.
Cool. Okay, quick question for you...
I'm trying to set up some (normal python) logging so that run of the mill
messages are send to a logfile while critical errors are sent via email to me. I
got to:
import logging
logger = logging.getLogger('X2Y')
hdlr = logging.FileHandler(logfile)
formatter = logging.Formatter('%(asctime)s %(process)d %(levelname)s %(message)s')
hdlr.setFormatter(formatter)
logger.addHandler(hdlr)
if len(sys.argv)==2 and sys.argv[1]=='debug':
logger.setLevel(logging.DEBUG)
else:
logger.setLevel(logging.INFO)
hdlr = logging.SMTPHandler(*etc*)
formatter = logging.Formatter('%(asctime)s
%(process)d\n\n%(message)s\n\n%(pathname)s line %(lineno)d.')
hdlr.setFormatter(formatter)
logger.addHandler(hdlr)
...but then couldn't figure out how to say that the SMTPHandler should only deal
with messages that are critical.
Any ideas?
Bringing this back on topic, I'd also be very interested in doing the same thing
for Zope instances...
cheers,
Chris
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[Zope-dev] getRoles()
I was fooling around in AccessControl\User.py, tying to add some user groups from an NT domain in the getRoles() method. Why does the getRoles() method get called so many times? Seems like once for each object on a page that needs authentication? Was making for a VERY slow page load while my NT Domain was across a slow WAN link. I would have thought it would have been called once and then cached, or...? thanks for any insight. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Bug day report
+1. This happens a bit on plone.org as well. Valid issues get rejected a bit too quickly when they should be left open or clarified further. Since the submitter is relatively powerless in these trackers there is a bad psychological effect. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.X Session problems
The data object timeout value was what I needed. I'm afraid though that in this case I don't have a good answer for why they're not being expired. I will put looking into this on my todo list. On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 09:32, Alex V. Koval wrote: Hi Chris, On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:59 -0400, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you have the transient object timeout set for? Do you mean this (/temp_folder/session_data): Data object timeout value in minutes: 20 Also, here is a part of zope.conf for your reference: # from Chris zodb_db temporary # Temporary storage database (for sessions) filestorage path $INSTANCE/var/Sessions.fs /filestorage mount-point /temp_folder container-class Products.TemporaryFolder.TemporaryContainer /zodb_db Regards. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] RFC: Multi-Databases
Toby Dickenson wrote: (reply-to set to zodb-dev) In the long term, this will allow is to *finally* support cross database references. Your proposal describes an unfamiliar kind of reference. In unix filesystem terms, it mixes characteristics of hard links and symbolic links. That's right, it's not like a file-system hard link or a soft link. ... Right now I cant think of a use case for this new type of reference (either in a filesystem or zodb database). Can you give some examples? Yes. I want to create a reference from one object to another in Python code. (It's much easier to do that in Zope 3, for various reasons I won't go into here.) At the Python level, I don't want to have to worry about whether the objects are in separate databases. Now, the fact that the reference is weak is a definate disadvantage. I'd rather have a strong reference, but that makes the problem much harder to solve. There are applications where weak references are a step forward. An alternative model is to require that the reference isn't direct but has weak references (as in Python weak reference) semantics). That is, rather than saying: self.x = foo requiring: self.x = persistent.wref.ref(foo) Anyway, you ask a reasonably question. Let's continue this discussion after I write a proposal for cross-database references. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows
Chris Withers wrote: Do you have to go through all of that? Couldn't you put it up as a zip file, using ZMI, rather than CMF API's? As a mere mortal member and not-yet-signer of litigious paperwork, am I allowed ZMI access? Sure. After you log in, you can still get to Members/youruserid/manage_main. I think making the binaries available will widen the pool of people who could fix windows problems. Really? I would have thought they'd need ot be able to compile :-S If they have the .pyd files, they can run Zope and fix problems they find in the .py files. Don't confuse caring with time and priorities. I care about having Zope 3 run on Windows, and Mac OS X, and other platforms. I don't have time to do that though. I think it would be appropriate for others to help by working on windows and Mac OS X (etc.) issues. Indeed. Although the stuff which stopped me was shear carelessness (things like just using unix path seperators rather that os.path.join, etc)... shrug Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows
[Jim] ... If they have the .pyd files, they can run Zope and fix problems they find in the .py files. They have the .pyd files now. I'm keeping them up to date, and Max M wrote a clear howto (which references the .pyd Zip files on zope.org): http://www.mxm.dk/papers/run-z3-cvs-wthout-compiler/ easier-to-do-it-than-argue-about-it0.7-wink-ly y'rs - tim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
