[Zope-dev] Re: [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread Paul Everitt
This is really interesting!  A year ago I put Python + Zope on a USB 
key, just for fun.  It would barely fit so I looked at zip techniques, 
and never could figure out how to get ZPTs etc. to load from a ZIP.

How did you do that part?
--Paul
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Dear Zope developers,
we have used Zope+CMF+Archetypes in a new way -- not
as a Web Application framework but as a framework for
desktop applications that share a large part of their
functionality with online applications (implemented with Zope+CMF+Archetypes).
A major stumbling block has been Zope's incredibly high startup
time. We observerd times in the order of a minute on computers
with either slow CPU or slow IO. This may be acceptable for
a Web server but is prohibitive for a desktop application -- especially
as the predecessor application started within a few seconds.
To overcome this obstacle, we tweaked Zope and fixed Python's import
mechanism such that Zope now starts either out of a ZIP archive
or as a frozen application. These measures had the following results.
  Startup times on a mid range computer (AMD Athon 1.4 GHz; 512 MB memory)
  with a standard IDE disk.
Cold start  Warm start
(after computer startup)(most files in OS cache)
File system13s5s
ZIP archive 8s4s
Frozen  5s3s
In more details, we did:
  *  implement a package for a new kind of urls pypackage:
 for package relative access to resources.
 The package monkey patches Python's open, os.listdir,
 os.stat to provide transparent access to
 pypackage: identified resources.
 It currently support package relative access for
 packages loaded from the file system, from a ZIP
 archive and from the executable itself (i.e. frozen packages).
 In the last case, the resources are in a separate ZIP
 archive.
 This package might be interesting for Python as a whole
 as it is not Zope specific.
  *  implement a shared object importer to be used
 as a Python meta_path hook.
 This importer allows to load shared objects into the context
 of a parent package (such as e.g. ZODB.TimeStamp) although
 the shared object is not located inside the package's source
 (ZIP archive or executable).
  *  fix about 70 occurrences in Zope code where
 package relative access was implemented by dirname(__file__)
 to consistenty use package_home.
  *  modify about a dozen places in Zope+CMF to use
 pypackage: and cope with __path__ not being a list
 for frozen packages
  *  fix a few products (Archetypes and friends, TextIndexNG2,
 PlacelessTranslationService, ...) to use
 package_home (rather than dirname(__file__)) and
 not to change the current working directory (which obviously
 would fail for destinationsbe in a ZIP archive
 or the executable).
  *  implement lazy loading of ImageFiles to
 reduce the risk of recursive imports (and reduce startup time).
  *  support lazy product initialization
  *  support configuration from a pickle file (to avoid
 expensive parsing of the schema and configuration files).
 The pickle is used as a configuration cache.
  *  fixed Python's import mechanism not to treat ZIP
 archives as a directory when the archive could not
 find a module.
If you were *really* interested in these startup time improvements,
I could provide patches which might be integrated
in the Zope core for e.g. Zope 2.9.

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Re: [Zope-dev] [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread Andreas Jung

--On Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 19:26 Uhr +0200 Dieter Maurer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you were *really* interested in these startup time improvements,
I could provide patches which might be integrated
in the Zope core for e.g. Zope 2.9.
Although I already worked with pypackage my questions:  is it an optional
feature or will pypackage take control over all and everything? Products
using __path__ or changing the current directory need to be fixed, right?
I think 2.9 would be a good target. If there is common agreement that
it should go into the core (+1 from my side) then please wait with
submitting patches until we have cut a release branch for Zope 2.8...then
the trunk can be used for new features for Zope 2.9.
Andreas



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[Zope-dev] inituser problem

2005-05-14 Thread Chris Withers
Hi,
I have a problem with the code in 
AccessControl.User.UserFolder._createInitialUser.

It creates a user under what I feel are fairly bizarre circumstances.
I feel it should simply use inituser if it's there and the user in it 
doesn't already exist in the root acl_users.

Either that, or it should overwrite any user if the inituser file exists.
The weird special case of one user being in the root acl_users seems 
extremely counterintuitive.

What do other people feel?
cheers,
Chris
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Re: [Zope-dev] [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2005-5-14 11:00 +0200:
 ...
Although I already worked with pypackage my questions:  is it an optional
feature or will pypackage take control over all and everything?

Provided that any access to a package relative resource
is converted from dirname(__file__) to package_home
logic to use or not use pypackage could be localized in package_home
and (maybe) OFS.Application.get_products.

Products
using __path__ or changing the current directory need to be fixed, right?

__path__ is a string in a frozen application.
It is likely that any software part that uses __path__
currently asumes it to be a list.

Any product that tries the change the current directory to 
lie in a ZIP archive or execatable will observe that this
is impossible.

-- 
Dieter
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