Re: [Zope-dev] AW: I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Waiting-for-this-discussion-to-die-down-ly I just counted votes here, there was 11 positive votes and 2 negative votes. +1 (Baiju M) +100 (Philipp von Weitershausen) +1 (Michael R. Bernstein) +1 Lennart Regebro +1 Andreas Jung +1 Jens Vagelpohl +1 Chris Withers +1 Martijn Faassen +1 Wichert Akkerman +1 Jodok Batlogg +1 Tres Seaver -1 Stephan Richter -1 Roger Ineichen Jim, I think you can proceed with merge now. Regards, Baiju M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] AW: I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists
Dieter Maurer wrote: David Pratt wrote at 2007-10-8 00:21 -0300: Zope 2 is one application among many dependent upon zope 3. Zope 3 is different software than zope 2. I do not argue with you that Zope3 is "different software than Zope 2". What I argue about is "Zope 2 is an application". I have seen hundreds of applications built on top of Zope 2, long before someone thought about Zope 3. I interpret this as: "Zope 2 is not an application but a web application framework". Recently some applications make not only use of Zope 2 but also of Zope 3 (prominent example is Plone 3). But Zope 2 itself is still only slightly dependent on Zope 3. This statement is very confusing, given that nearly all of Zope 3 ships with Zope 2 since 2.8. So in fact a Zope 2 release depends very much on a Zope 3. It may be true that not much of the Zope 2 machinery uses Zope 3 (but if you look at Zope 2.10+, you'll see that core components such as the ZPublisher have been changed to look up views), but certainly a lot of applications that are built with Zope 2 use the Zope 3 libraries that ship with it, as well as the integration layer Five. This makes the Zope 3 libraries as much an integral part of Zope 2 as the "old" packages. Waiting-for-this-discussion-to-die-down-ly Philipp -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zeo on solaris
On 08.10.2007, at 21:00, Dieter Maurer wrote:
Jodok Batlogg wrote at 2007-10-8 08:48 +0200:
...
do you know about the performance? if you compare a modern, fast
linux server - connected to the SAN as well?
i think the solaris machine will perform well if you need to run
multiple ZEOs...
I had compared packing on our previous generation SUN cluster
with packing on a Linux server. The Linux server was about 4 times
faster.
But our system administrators have a very strong preference for
SUN hardware. They told me that SUN has a much better IO subsystem
and that this will become obvious when the system is under load.
that's what we've been told as well. especially because all
applications on the server are I/O bound (zeo, postgresql, nfs).
they told me as well, that the clustering/failover works perfect with
roughly _zero_ downtime :)
the san behind it is really powerful and should be able to reach
2x80MB/s easily.
My personal opinion is that they can buy SUN support such that
within a few hours all problems will be fixed by SUN while for Linux
they can not get this level of support -- and therefore they prefer
SUN. But, that's just my assumption (I do not have a proof).
exactly - the cluster is f***ing expensive (RAM, SUN
certification,...) but has almost no downtime ("guaranteed").
we finally managed to get the sun-cluster to test the setup
(especially ZEO) and have the possibility to give it back and switch
to LINUX in case it doesn't work.
i'll keep you updated about our testing results.
thanks so far
jodok
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Re: [Zope-dev] zeo on solaris
Jodok Batlogg wrote at 2007-10-8 08:48 +0200: > ... >do you know about the performance? if you compare a modern, fast >linux server - connected to the SAN as well? >i think the solaris machine will perform well if you need to run >multiple ZEOs... I had compared packing on our previous generation SUN cluster with packing on a Linux server. The Linux server was about 4 times faster. But our system administrators have a very strong preference for SUN hardware. They told me that SUN has a much better IO subsystem and that this will become obvious when the system is under load. My personal opinion is that they can buy SUN support such that within a few hours all problems will be fixed by SUN while for Linux they can not get this level of support -- and therefore they prefer SUN. But, that's just my assumption (I do not have a proof). -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists
David Pratt wrote at 2007-10-8 00:21 -0300: >Zope 2 is one application among many dependent upon zope 3. >Zope 3 is different software than zope 2. I do not argue with you that Zope3 is "different software than Zope 2". What I argue about is "Zope 2 is an application". I have seen hundreds of applications built on top of Zope 2, long before someone thought about Zope 3. I interpret this as: "Zope 2 is not an application but a web application framework". Recently some applications make not only use of Zope 2 but also of Zope 3 (prominent example is Plone 3). But Zope 2 itself is still only slightly dependent on Zope 3. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Undeprecation of manage_afterAdd and manage_beforeDelete?
Hanno Schlichting wrote: Hi. [..] Thoughts? +1 Raphael PS: ... not to mention the 700 add-ons that are out there for Plone alone ... Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: > Any objections? > > This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving > zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. +1. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHCkzF+gerLs4ltQ4RAjD5AKC+7vl0DlWSJYqHTlrNADqRFRyRLwCgz+qU u5liXF5Lu25oOk5OPY+TZjY= =SXR9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Sun Oct 7 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Mon Oct 8 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Oct 7 20:54:57 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-October/008456.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Oct 7 20:56:28 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-October/008457.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Oct 7 20:57:59 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-October/008458.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Oct 7 20:59:29 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-October/008459.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Oct 7 21:00:59 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-October/008460.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
