[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 40 OK, 13 Failed, 1 Unknown
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Mon Jul 19 12:00:00 2010 UTC to Tue Jul 20 12:00:00 2010 UTC. There were 54 messages: 6 from Zope Tests, 1 from buildbot at enfoldsystems.com, 4 from buildbot at pov.lt, 17 from buildbot at winbot.zope.org, 13 from ccomb at free.fr, 13 from jdriessen at thehealthagency.com. Test failures - Subject: FAILED : Bluebream / Python2.4.6 32bit linux From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Mon Jul 19 22:04:08 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016989.html Subject: FAILED : Bluebream / Python2.6.4 32bit linux From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Mon Jul 19 22:05:50 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016990.html Subject: FAILED : Bluebream / Python2.5.2 32bit linux From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Mon Jul 19 22:05:51 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016991.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_270_win32 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 22:58:23 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016998.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_270_win64 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 23:10:44 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016999.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_10 py_244_win32 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 23:19:26 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017000.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_10 py_270_win32 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 23:47:40 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017004.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_10 py_270_win64 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 23:54:22 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017005.html Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.7.0 Linux 32bit From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Tue Jul 20 00:18:04 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017007.html Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0 / Python2.7.0 Linux 32bit From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Tue Jul 20 01:53:33 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017015.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win32 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Tue Jul 20 03:41:56 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017019.html Subject: FAILED : winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win64 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Tue Jul 20 04:37:26 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017021.html Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / ztk_win slave-win From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com Date: Tue Jul 20 07:16:23 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017025.html Unknown --- Subject: [zodb-tests] buildbot failure in Enfold Systems on zodb-trunk-python-2.6-maestro From: buildbot at enfoldsystems.com Date: Tue Jul 20 04:15:56 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017020.html Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.4-64bit-linux From: buildbot at pov.lt Date: Mon Jul 19 21:09:06 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016981.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Jul 19 21:35:11 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016982.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Jul 19 21:37:14 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016983.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.5 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Jul 19 21:39:14 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016984.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.12-alltests Python-2.6.5 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Jul 19 21:41:14 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016985.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.6.5 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Jul 19 21:43:14 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016986.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.5 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Jul 19 21:45:14 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016987.html Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.4-32bit-linux From: buildbot at pov.lt Date: Mon Jul 19 21:54:34 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016988.html Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.5-64bit-linux From: buildbot at pov.lt Date: Mon Jul 19 22:09:22 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016992.html Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_dev py_244_win32 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 22:13:27 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016993.html Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_dev py_254_win32 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org Date: Mon Jul 19 22:25:05 EDT 2010 URL:
[Zope-dev] Doodle for August bug day
Hi everyone, here's the Doodle for our next bug day: http://www.doodle.com/6gydequztpac3xud I'd like to see many people there, so if you have any questions that need answering before you can join us on the bug day: ask them! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Help review #181754
Hi, I just rejected issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.app.testing/+bug/181754 There might be room for different oppinions and if anyone would like to veto the decision, I'd welcome a discussion. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 2010-7-20 17:39, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I just rejected issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.app.testing/+bug/181754 There might be room for different oppinions and if anyone would like to veto the decision, I'd welcome a discussion. Your rejection contains an assumption that the request won't make it to the application. Is that assumption testable? Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 07/20/2010 06:01 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-7-20 17:39, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I just rejected issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.app.testing/+bug/181754 There might be room for different oppinions and if anyone would like to veto the decision, I'd welcome a discussion. Your rejection contains an assumption that the request won't make it to the application. Is that assumption testable? I guess so. I think it's relatively clear that the application server should insulate the application from malignant requests. The details probably depend on the HTTP implementation. zope.server, zope.app.twisted, Paster and others might deal with this differently. Looking at the interfaces between those parts of the application it makes no sense to have syntactially invalid requests end up on the application level. At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] zope.testing / zope.testrunner path forward:
I'd like to put down some effort this week during the EuroPython sprint to go forward with zope.testing for Python 3. zope.testing 3.9.5 is already deprecating zope.testing.testrunner, but I need to remove it so that I can port zope.testing to Python 3 without going mad. (zope.testrunner runs on Python 3 already, although installing it fails, because it tries to install zope.testing 3.9.5.) The questions are (some have been discussed before, but I don't remember the outcome): 1. Should there be BBB imports of zope.testrunner into zope.testing? We can do that to get a longer deprecation period, a couple of months isn't very long). 2. Should I release the testrunner-free version before I port to Python 3, or should we do both at once?Doing both at once of course risks more problems than one at a time. On the other hand we might want all changes at once to lessen annoyance. 3. It should be zope.testing 4.0.0, right? -- Lennart Regebro: http://regebro.wordpress.com/ Python 3 Porting: http://python3porting.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ./bin/test failing with trunk zope.testing
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 16:58, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote: Actually, it turned out to be something of a pebkac. Happy to hear it, zope.testrunner and zope.testing.testrunner *should* be compatible, and if they aren't that is probably a bug. -- Lennart Regebro: http://regebro.wordpress.com/ Python 3 Porting: http://python3porting.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 2010-7-20 18:15, Christian Theune wrote: At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. I'm not sure I agree. Like everything else servers have bugs, so it can't hurt to test how your application would behave given certain server bugs. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing / zope.testrunner path forward:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 23:57, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote: I'm for two separate releases. Release early, release often. Oh, that's not a problem. svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/branches/regebro-400 Is testrunner free and runs on Python 3 already. It's purely a question of if we want both changes at once or not. :-) -- Lennart Regebro, Colliberty: http://www.colliberty.com/ Python, Zope, Plone blog: http://regebro.wordpress.com/ Telephone: +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 07/20/2010 07:28 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-7-20 18:15, Christian Theune wrote: At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. I'm not sure I agree. Like everything else servers have bugs, so it can't hurt to test how your application would behave given certain server bugs. Right. IMHO this specific bug asked for would usually mean that the server breaks and can pass anything to the application. Whatever happens: the server needs to prepare a data structure to hand over to the application. If it can't do that, then there's nothing to test what happens with the application. I guess this kind of test (what happens with the application if it receives invalid data) needs to work around server/publisher components and inject data directly to application methods. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing / zope.testrunner path forward:
On 07/21/2010 06:40 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 23:57, Marius Gedminasmar...@gedmin.as wrote: I'm for two separate releases. Release early, release often. Oh, that's not a problem. svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/branches/regebro-400 Is testrunner free and runs on Python 3 already. It's purely a question of if we want both changes at once or not. :-) I myself prefer having more releases. I like Marius' idea: 3.10 would be good for removing the test runner then 4.0 can be Py3 compatibility. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
* Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net [2010-07-20 19:28]: On 2010-7-20 18:15, Christian Theune wrote: At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. I'm not sure I agree. Like everything else servers have bugs, so it can't hurt to test how your application would behave given certain server bugs. I don't think it is usually a productive assumption that lower layers fail to uphold their end of the contract. Maybe an extrapolation/hyperbole illustrates my opinion: Cosmic rays might also flip bits in your computer's RAM or disk, but I don't think it's worthwile to test how your application reacts when the python interpreter (or whoever, really) presents it with mangled data structures or objects or whatnot. To put it differently, yes, servers have bugs, but the place to fix them is in the server. If we can't rely on our layers/abstractions to hold, I feel we lose most if not all benefits of having them in the first place. Wolfgang ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
