Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
On 22.01.10 19:42, Lennart Regebro wrote:
 Yeah, the component architecture maybe could use some more advertising.

FullACK I think the ZCA is our USP.

As I said before, we will launch a new zope.de website in Germany soon
and produce a imagebroschure about Zope which will both emphasize this
point.

I really enjoy the discussion so far. Many valuable hints and good
statements.

juh
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Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-21 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
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On 21.01.10 07:48, Baiju M wrote:
 FTR, now Chris McDonough contributed new digram an updated text
 to include ZCA in picture.  Thanks Chris !

In our marketing in Germany we put it just like this.

We talk about component-based web-development with Zope and add BFG just
in the way the graph indicates.

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[Zope-dev] BFG Logo

2010-01-21 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Hi,

is there a black on white BFG-logo we can use on zope.de? The white on
black logo from the website is not suitable.


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Re: [Zope-dev] BFG Logo

2010-01-21 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
On 21.01.10 17:53, JC Brand wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Here's one I quickly made. Good enough?
 
 http://imgur.com/qpH52.png

Thanks, this will do for now.

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Re: [Zope-dev] BlueBream Wave (Online Documentation Collaboration Using Google Wave)

2010-01-08 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
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On 08.01.10 04:23, Baiju M wrote:
 I started a BlueBream Wave on Google Wave.  You are welcome to join.

Cool. But you know that there is no way to delete a wave and to make a
public wave private again?

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Re: [Zope-dev] New Zope 3 name: BlueBream

2010-01-05 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
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On 05.01.10 08:36, Martin Aspeli wrote:
 +1. It puts the final nail in the Zope 3 coffin and allows a reborn 
 vampire to emerge from slumber.

Ok, we all hate the damage that Zope 3 did and I have no problem to call
one of the x Zope Webframeworks Bluebream, but I would like to save
the trademark from vanishing completely.

What we have now are a bunch of Webframeworks built upon the ZTK. One of
these frameworks is called Zope 2 for historical reasons. So if you tell
the Zope story, you might end up with a story without a hero:

We have the ZTK in the center and some other peripheral libraries and we
have Grok, Zope2, Bluebream, BFG, bobo and Humpty Dumpty, all great
frameworks. We can even call them Zope Frameworks, but where is Zope in
this story? What is Zope?

Possible solution:
If all of the ZTK is in the namespace zope someday, why don't we call
the ZTK Zope, as it seems to be the heart of all these webframeworks?

Then we can tell a story where there are different cool webframeworks
based on Zope (former ZTK) which is a well defined set of libraries to
do component-based web-development.

juh
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Re: [Zope-dev] New Zope 3 name: BlueBream

2010-01-04 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
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On 04.01.10 19:23, Baiju M wrote:
 Hi All,
  I am proposing to call Zope 3 - the web frame work
 as BlueBream.  The main use for name is documentation.

Coming from marketing I strongly suggest to think twice or better thrice
before inventing the next new name in Zope world. There are already too
many of them.

juh


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Re: [Zope-dev] New Zope 3 name: BlueBream

2010-01-04 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke

Am 05.01.2010 um 00:43 schrieb Hermann Himmelbauer:
 Although I tend to give you right, as probably no one will get the fish 
 connection and therefore a new name has to be raised up, I vote for 
 BlueBream, as this indicates something very new, which frees itself from 
 those endless Zope 3, Zope 3 Application Server, Zope blah blah... 
 considerations.

And getting an endless discussion about Zope, Zope Toolkit, Zope 2, Grok, 
Bluebream, repoze.bfg … 

I am just creating a German broschure about Zope and we are relaunching zope.de 
these days, and I can tell you it is hell to explain what Zope is.

What's in a name? I don't mind having a name for a reborn Zope 3 and Bluebream  
 might be ok. 

But we must keep an eye on our trademark Zope.  

What is Zope if we have

- Zope Toolkit 
- Zope 2
- Grok
- Bluebream
- BFG

Seems that there is no Zope anymore.  ;-)

juh

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Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-08 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
- 1 for Zope Classic for the same reasons as Martin brought up.

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