RE: [Zope-dev] ANN: Proposal ContentNegotiation
-Original Message- From: Andreas Jung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 May 2001 20:23 To: Toby Dickenson Cc: zope-dev Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] ANN: Proposal ContentNegotiation From: Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Andreas Jung' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] ANN: Proposal ContentNegotiation Your proposal suggests that published objects should generally return pre-encoded objects in 8-bit strings. This is the one detail which in my experience looks *wrong* and is very much dependant on my proposal. Not really - I only say that the internal character set is currently ascii/iso-8859-1. I did not mention that this will be the default character set in the future. Its not a question of the 'default' encoding if (as in your proposal) the published object explicity specifies the character encoding of a pre-encoded object. Im referring to the section where you say: : If the object creates a RESPONSE in another character set : than the internal character set it must indicate this by : setting an attribute of the RESPONSE object to the used : character set e.g.: : RESPONSE.charset = 'utf-8'(either as attribute or by a method call) I think we are mixing up 'character set' and 'character encoding' here. The character set of html (and xml) is the Unicode set. utf-8 is a character encoding, not a character set. Given the semantic of this proposed attribute, the name 'character_encoding' would be more appropriate. In my experience, forcing published methods to deal with character encoding is a bad idea (I know because I tried that in my first iteration). Your proposal suggests that methods return 8-bit strings, specifying the character encoding of that string in the RESPONSE. This makes it hard to combine methods from two different components that happen use different character encodings. Note that since many components already use latin-1, the usefulness of this aspect proposal is low. If they need a wider character set then using Unicode is the only practical approach. Ill write up a full proposal for how this would fit together on the wiki. (On a different subject, I think the default encoding will always have to stay as latin1 in order to support pre-existing object databases ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] ANN: Proposal ContentNegotiation
Hi folks, feel free to review and comment the proposal for extending the content negotiation capabilities of Zope: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HTTPContentNegotiation Cheers, Andreas Digital Creations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ANN: Proposal ContentNegotiation
On Thu, 3 May 2001 11:45:58 -0400, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, feel free to review and comment the proposal for extending the content negotiation capabilities of Zope: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HTTPContentNegotiation Cheers, Andreas Digital Creations Andreas, Are you aware that I have a mature patch to give ZPublisher full Unicode support? It has been stable for six months, and is being used in at least two commercial products. http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/wstring Ive expressed before that I would be more than happy for these to be rolled into the Zope core, and they do cover a large part of your CSN problem (plus several related problems that you havent realised yet. ;-) Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ANN: Proposal ContentNegotiation
On Thu, 03 May 2001 17:14:28 +0100, Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 May 2001 11:45:58 -0400, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HTTPContentNegotiation http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/wstring Ive expressed before that I would be more than happy for these to be rolled into the Zope core, and they do cover a large part of your CSN problem (plus several related problems that you havent realised yet. ;-) I should also mention. http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/UnicodeSupport which is my original proposal to include optional Unicode Support in the 2.3.0 release. Eventually only the first half of that proposal was implemented, that is support for python 2.0 but not unicode. This proposal is still the best overview of what my patch achieves. Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
