Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Tim Hoffman wrote: > So I was looking for zope eco system based non html/xml based templating > systems as a response to Martin > saying DTML is dead, as I am currently using DTML for these sorts of tasks. The Zope eco system for such tasks is the same as the wider Python eco system these days. There's absolutely no need to stick with a Zope-only approach anymore. string.Template, Jinja2 and Mako all seem to be well maintained templating solutions you could use. DTML is definitely dead as far as open-source software can die. Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 11:13:05AM +0800, Tim Hoffman wrote: > Hi Florian > > I use a model based generation approach (from enterprise architect) however > even archgenxml has templates for large amounts of boiler plate under the > hood. > > Have you actually looked at the src of archgenxml, if you did you will > notices it uses dtml for templating the code output ;-) Once did, but wasn't aware of any dtml, come to think of it, there is some reason to it ;) -- Florian Friesdorf GPG FPR: EA5C F2B4 FBBB BA65 3DCD E8ED 82A1 6522 4A1F 4367 Jabber/XMPP: f...@chaoflow.net IRC: chaoflow on freenode,ircnet,blafasel,OFTC pgp9485K58h0p.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
Hi Laurence I think you missed my point. I was talking about generating code (sql as DDL for instance) not sql statements. I use Enterprise architect to model the application in UML for the data model, entity model, I generate generate storm schema and DDL for accessing the database from the model. And much of the model is originally reverse engineered from the RDBMS by EE. And usually the RDBMS is pre-existing, not a new thing. So the schema of the RDBMS is fixed. So I was looking for zope eco system based non html/xml based templating systems as a response to Martin saying DTML is dead, as I am currently using DTML for these sorts of tasks. T On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > On 5 September 2010 02:49, Tim Hoffman wrote: > >>> > >> > >> Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology. > >> Martin > > > > But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do you > > think is good alternative in the zope eco system now > > for templating other types of things (sql, python ...) ? > > If you don't need conditions or looping, then string.Template from the > standard library is a reasonable choice. For templating SQL I would > use SQLAlchemy, as you want appropriate quoting applied to your input. > (You don't have to use it's ORM). > > Laurence > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
On 5 September 2010 02:49, Tim Hoffman wrote: >>> >> >> Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology. >> Martin > > But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do you > think is good alternative in the zope eco system now > for templating other types of things (sql, python ...) ? If you don't need conditions or looping, then string.Template from the standard library is a reasonable choice. For templating SQL I would use SQLAlchemy, as you want appropriate quoting applied to your input. (You don't have to use it's ORM). Laurence ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
HI Vincent.
I haven't looked an jinja to date. Will definately have a look at it.
I generate a lot of code (sql, gae models, storm schema, formish schema's)
from Enterprise Architect, and
currently using dtml for all non html/xml output.
Cheers
T
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vincent Fretin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For AGX3, we started to use Jinja for the template, for example for
> the generation of setup.py, we have:
>
> version = '{{version}}'
>
> setup(name='{{project}}',
> version=version,
> description="{{description}}",
> ...
>
> The syntax is simpler than dtml we use in AGX2:
>
>
> Vincent
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Tim Hoffman wrote:
> > Hi Florian
> > I use a model based generation approach (from enterprise architect)
> however
> > even archgenxml has templates for large amounts of boiler plate under
> the
> > hood.
> > Have you actually looked at the src of archgenxml, if you did you will
> > notices it uses dtml for templating the code output ;-)
>
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Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
Hi,
For AGX3, we started to use Jinja for the template, for example for
the generation of setup.py, we have:
version = '{{version}}'
setup(name='{{project}}',
version=version,
description="{{description}}",
...
The syntax is simpler than dtml we use in AGX2:
Vincent
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Tim Hoffman wrote:
> Hi Florian
> I use a model based generation approach (from enterprise architect) however
> even archgenxml has templates for large amounts of boiler plate under the
> hood.
> Have you actually looked at the src of archgenxml, if you did you will
> notices it uses dtml for templating the code output ;-)
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Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
Hi Florian I use a model based generation approach (from enterprise architect) however even archgenxml has templates for large amounts of boiler plate under the hood. Have you actually looked at the src of archgenxml, if you did you will notices it uses dtml for templating the code output ;-) T On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Florian Friesdorf wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 08:49:39AM +0800, Tim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology. > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do you > > think is good alternative in the zope eco system now > > for templating other types of things (sql, python ...) ? > > I would use a templating system for things that are easy to template > (html/xml) and where more complex logic can be offloaded to a real > programming language like python (as zpt does). > > Using a templating system for a programming language is I think a > different programming paradigm than zope's component architecture and > contrary to code reusage. With code generators like ArchGenXML or agx > you are able to create models for your software on a more abstract level > than based on templating, so I would not use templating but model-based > code generation instead. > > > florian > > -- > Florian Friesdorf > GPG FPR: EA5C F2B4 FBBB BA65 3DCD E8ED 82A1 6522 4A1F 4367 > Jabber/XMPP: f...@chaoflow.net > IRC: chaoflow on freenode,ircnet,blafasel,OFTC > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 08:49:39AM +0800, Tim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > >> > > Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology. > > > > Martin > > > > But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do you > think is good alternative in the zope eco system now > for templating other types of things (sql, python ...) ? I would use a templating system for things that are easy to template (html/xml) and where more complex logic can be offloaded to a real programming language like python (as zpt does). Using a templating system for a programming language is I think a different programming paradigm than zope's component architecture and contrary to code reusage. With code generators like ArchGenXML or agx you are able to create models for your software on a more abstract level than based on templating, so I would not use templating but model-based code generation instead. florian -- Florian Friesdorf GPG FPR: EA5C F2B4 FBBB BA65 3DCD E8ED 82A1 6522 4A1F 4367 Jabber/XMPP: f...@chaoflow.net IRC: chaoflow on freenode,ircnet,blafasel,OFTC pgpD9QHMx5IZs.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] DTML is dead, long live DTML ;-)
> > >> > Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology. > > Martin > But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do you think is good alternative in the zope eco system now for templating other types of things (sql, python ...) ? T ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
