Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC
Hi, so, here's this week's summary: We talked a bit about the summary goals. I will (have to) do some nagging to get everyone who signed up to fill in his details and timeframe. If anyone feels nagged already, you can go straight here: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSummit2010Summary Some of us already put in our time frames and some more detailed explanations. Also, we talked about the bug days. This time we seem to have quite low interest, maybe the week is bad or so... However, we'd like to point out (or remind) that you don't have to schedule your whole day for participating with a bug day: spending an hour or so to fix some bug makes a much larger difference than not being able to join for a whole day. ;) In addition to that, we'd like to encourage everyone to pick some bugs they'd like to work on *before* the bug day. Especially if you pick bugs that need some discussion/explanation it will help you actually achieve something on the bug day if you understand what's going on and what needs to be done - that's going to be much more satisfying. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC
Hello Christian, I guess pushing a lot harder on goals... 'cause nothing seems to happen. Unless I miss something. Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 1:22:31 PM, you wrote: CT> Gah. Editing old posts ... :) -- Best regards, Adam GROSZERmailto:agros...@gmail.com -- Quote of the day: That which we call sin in others is experiment for us. - Ralph Waldo Emerson ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC
Gah. Editing old posts ... :) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Good morning, another developer meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I'd like to talk about your post-summit thoughts (I still need to prepare the summary for those who haven't been there, though). Also, the next bug day wants to be organized and I'd like to revisit the meta issues around the meeting itself. See you later, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Am 31.08.2010, 10:23 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune : > - Supporting Python 2.7 > - Abandoned projects > - Windows compiler licenses Hi all, sorry for the delay. The minutes are now up at http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100831.html What about today? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Hoffman wrote: > Please don't drop 2.5 support yet. I use zope.component, zope.interface, > zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine ;-) and that > won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect. You should be planning to stick with the ZTK 1.0 release line, then, as it is known to support your platform. The 1.1 versions may drop support for Python 2.5, and definitely will drop support for 2.4; those versions will be supported by ZTK 1.0. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkx9V6gACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ5w+gCfVFMrnoIjJYeWJ3gOcTfqyXXM TnUAnA8+82M81z5i4+CBBTpMK+s2GPoF =xBEk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Am 31.08.2010, 11:31 Uhr, schrieb Tim Hoffman : > Please don't drop 2.5 support yet. I use zope.component, zope.interface, > zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine and that > won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect. Hi Tim, thanks to Hanno's clarifications on IRC last week let me point out that we are talking about the roadmap for the ZTK 1.1. Support for Python 2.4 *will* be dropped this year. Python 2.5 is likely to survive longer not least because it is the supported version on the current version of Debian, although it's looking likely that there will be a new release (Debian 6.0 aka Squeeze) in the not too distant future. And I guess that GAE is still tied to 2.5? Beyond that, however, I think it's only reasonable to start looking at the migration towards a codebase that runs on Python 3.x and that may, at some point, mandate dropping support for Python 2.5. This especially in light of the fact that Python 2.5 itself is in maintenance mode. At the moment I think any incomaptabilities are related to tests and "implements". However, this is all in the future and subject, no doubt, to review. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Please don't drop 2.5 support yet. I use zope.component, zope.interface, zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine ;-) and that won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect. T On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > On 8/31/10 10:32 , Hanno Schlichting wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theune > wrote: > >> our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. > > > > I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront. > > > >> - Supporting Python 2.7 > > > > I thought the current plan is to try to support Python 2.7 for ZTK 1.1 > > (which will then be Python 2.5 - 2.7). Currently 1.0 beta is still > > blocked on test issues. Before we don't get these tests fixed, there > > is no point in branching off the ZTK trunk to a 1.0 branch and > > allowing feature development to happen. If we cannot get the tests > > fixed on the current list of supported systems, adding whole new ZTK > > version set will only make matters much worse. > > It does bring up an interesting question: if not all supported systems > can be supported, should support for some systems be dropped? > > Wichert. > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
On 8/31/10 10:32 , Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theune wrote: >> our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. > > I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront. > >> - Supporting Python 2.7 > > I thought the current plan is to try to support Python 2.7 for ZTK 1.1 > (which will then be Python 2.5 - 2.7). Currently 1.0 beta is still > blocked on test issues. Before we don't get these tests fixed, there > is no point in branching off the ZTK trunk to a 1.0 branch and > allowing feature development to happen. If we cannot get the tests > fixed on the current list of supported systems, adding whole new ZTK > version set will only make matters much worse. It does bring up an interesting question: if not all supported systems can be supported, should support for some systems be dropped? Wichert. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Am 31.08.2010, 10:34 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune : > Thanks for noting. That reminds me that I can't be there either, but > I'll ask Charlie whether he can take over. Sure, if you need me to. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 08/31/2010 10:32 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theune wrote: >> our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. > > I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront. Thanks for noting. That reminds me that I can't be there either, but I'll ask Charlie whether he can take over. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theune wrote: > our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront. > - Supporting Python 2.7 I thought the current plan is to try to support Python 2.7 for ZTK 1.1 (which will then be Python 2.5 - 2.7). Currently 1.0 beta is still blocked on test issues. Before we don't get these tests fixed, there is no point in branching off the ZTK trunk to a 1.0 branch and allowing feature development to happen. If we cannot get the tests fixed on the current list of supported systems, adding whole new ZTK version set will only make matters much worse. Of course everyone is free to tackle Python 2.7 compatibility for any distribution individually. I think it's only zope.app distributions that have problems here. > - Windows compiler licenses After much hassle and some friendly support folks at Microsoft I finally received my license. Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I'd like to catch up with topics that have been in limbo for a while: - Supporting Python 2.7 - Abandoned projects - Windows compiler licenses Does anybody else have other topics? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 08/24/2010 09:15 AM, Christian Theune wrote: > Hi again, > > our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. Last week we talked about the bug day and found that although we had quite a lot of people subscribe only 2 seemed to have worked on the bug day (at least only 2 responded to the report request). Mostly people seemed to have been rushed by customer requests and did have the intention to actually join, so we'll just continue with the next bug day regularly. We also talked about buildbot organization: consistently calling the in-development version of packages 'dev' (instead of trunk), Patrick showed some experimental aggregagtor code for a live buildbot status overview and Christian received the code for the nightly test result aggregator. Details are, as always, here: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100824.html Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I had a request that we talk about the buildbot organization and I'd also like to review the bug day. Does anybody else have other topics? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Am 18.08.2010, 08:36 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune : > looks like my announcement was too late already. It was too late for me to say I couldn't make it. Greetings from the Oil Slick Sprint in Duck, NC! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
On 08/18/2010 09:36 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote: >> Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update >> mail which you already received. > > Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at > the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before, > though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb. Hallucination. It was J-W. (Sorry, J-W!) >> See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting! > > /me sadly won't make it. I have a customer visiting the rest of the week. Ouh! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote: >> Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update >> mail which you already received. > > Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at > the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before, > though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb. As I can see in this log, he talked to J-W and got the info :) http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-08-17.log.html#t2010-08-17T18:04:44 -- Baiju M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote: > Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update > mail which you already received. Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before, though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb. > See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting! /me sadly won't make it. I have a customer visiting the rest of the week. Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, looks like my announcement was too late already. Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update mail which you already received. See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, late, but here it is: We have an IRC meeting coming up in about an hour. Topics, if nothing else comes up, will be - upcoming bug day - test noise reduction - how to choose topics for the weekly meeting Hope to see you later, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached
On 06/02/2010 02:55 PM, Charlie Clark wrote: > Am 01.06.2010, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune : > >> I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with >> Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I >> tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a >> reply, so I'm unsure. > > Well, I did make it. It was a fairly brief meeting, here's the summary. Thanks! -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached
Am 01.06.2010, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune : I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a reply, so I'm unsure. Well, I did make it. It was a fairly brief meeting, here's the summary. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 zope-dev-20100601.rst Description: Binary data ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached
Hi, On 06/01/2010 03:13 PM, Christian Theune wrote: > On 06/01/2010 03:11 PM, Christian Theune wrote: >> Hi, >> >> an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to >> consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and >> how we decide when to make a release of a package. > > The meeting is on IRC (irc://freenode/#zope) of course ... I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a reply, so I'm unsure. Is anyone else able to take over today? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached
On 06/01/2010 03:11 PM, Christian Theune wrote: > Hi, > > an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to > consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and > how we decide when to make a release of a package. The meeting is on IRC (irc://freenode/#zope) of course ... -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached
Hi, an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and how we decide when to make a release of a package. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development == 2010-06-01 == This is the agenda and summary for the weekly Zope developer meeting of Tuesday, 2010-06-01 on #z...@irc.freenode.org from 15:00 to 15:30 UTC. Agenda == - Documentation - Consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org - Releases - How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around unreleased for a while? Ongoing issues -- Those issues are currently ongoing. We don't have to discuss them. We just need to follow up on them eventually. - ZTK status - Towards a ZTK release - Documentation - Release scope - KGS 3.4.1 release - Document release procedure (Adam) - Index view for download.zope.org - Test runners / nightly builds - Windows machines - Compiler licenses (Tres, postponed until after 2010-06-02) - AMI/ (Sidnei, Adam) - Amazon funding (Adam, Christian Theune) - Bug tracking - Monitoring tracker status (Charlie Clark, ctheune) - Documentation - Consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org - Releases - How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around unreleased for a while? - Metrics for bug days - Find a way to demonstrate what/how much work happened on a bug day. - Meta - Review meeting itself, maybe add extra 15 minutes for "meta" once a month or every two months? (postponed until 2010-06-01) - How to organize open issues in the long run (Blueprints? Other tool? Continue text files?) - Find second person to run the weekly meetings Topic proposals --- - Lennart: Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making releases of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think the ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for this that people can follow. - Chris McDonough: Pondering *some* (re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for better maintenance/release management/communication/marketing. - Christian Theune: I'd like us to ponder how we can (in addition to the housekeeping and cleanups we do) also move to do constructive work together to expand the stuff that Zope packages (ZTK) is about. How do we go about implementing new technologies together, like supporting HTML 5 in the various parts? I'd like to start putting in new code in the foreseeable future in the zope.* namespace. Summary === The IRC log is available here: http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-05-25.log.html#t2010-05-25T18:00:25 Windows builds -- Adam didn't manage to look into the AMIs due to illness. He did draft an initial proposal that he started discussed with Christian Theune to get funding for a hosted windows build machine from the foundation. However, Amazon might not be the right choice due to the high cost associated with 64-bit machines. Rackspace's Windows VMs seem to be a viable alternative and will be investigated by Adam. Adam and Christian will write a proposal to present at the next board meeting on 2010-06-02 that: - includes a trial period ( funding for 1-2 months to set everything up and make sure it does what we need) - subsequent cost after the trial period - ensures control over the machine is available to the foundation but can be handed over to individual community members easily An open question is whether 64-bit Windows installations allow installing the build chains for 32-bit and 64-bit in parallel. (Adam to ask Sidnei for input) KGS 3.4.1 release - The KGS release is going to have a release candidate as soon as Adam gets to it. He noted that actual .tar and .exe releases will be made on request (the option will be stated in the release notes). In an earlier meeting Adam wanted to write documentation about the release process but pointed out that there's already sufficient documentation in zope.release that helped him make the releases. Additional baijum and srichter pointed out resources (http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/DeveloperInfo#release-management and http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/MakingARelease) that are related to this. Tres noted that we might put a new item on our list: generally consolidating the documentation float