Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC

2010-10-15 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

so, here's this week's summary:

We talked a bit about the summary goals. I will (have to) do some 
nagging to get everyone who signed up to fill in his details and 
timeframe. If anyone feels nagged already, you can go straight here:
http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSummit2010Summary

Some of us already put in our time frames and some more detailed 
explanations.

Also, we talked about the bug days. This time we seem to have quite low 
interest, maybe the week is bad or so...

However, we'd like to point out (or remind) that you don't have to 
schedule your whole day for participating with a bug day: spending an 
hour or so to fix some bug makes a much larger difference than not being 
able to join for a whole day. ;)

In addition to that, we'd like to encourage everyone to pick some bugs 
they'd like to work on *before* the bug day. Especially if you pick bugs 
that need some discussion/explanation it will help you actually achieve 
something on the bug day if you understand what's going on and what 
needs to be done - that's going to be much more satisfying.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC

2010-10-12 Thread Christian Theune
Gah. Editing old posts ... :)


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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC

2010-10-12 Thread Adam GROSZER
Hello Christian,

I guess pushing a lot harder on goals... 'cause nothing seems to happen.
Unless I miss something.

Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 1:22:31 PM, you wrote:

CT Gah. Editing old posts ... :)




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[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-09-20 Thread Christian Theune
Good morning,

another developer meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC.

I'd like to talk about your post-summit thoughts (I still need to 
prepare the summary for those who haven't been there, though).

Also, the next bug day wants to be organized and I'd like to revisit the 
meta issues around the meeting itself.

See you later,
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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-09-07 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 31.08.2010, 10:23 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune c...@gocept.com:

 - Supporting Python 2.7
 - Abandoned projects
 - Windows compiler licenses

Hi all,

sorry for the delay. The minutes are now up at

http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100831.html

What about today?

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[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Christian Theune
Hi again,

our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC.

I'd like to catch up with topics that have been in limbo for a while:

- Supporting Python 2.7
- Abandoned projects
- Windows compiler licenses

Does anybody else have other topics?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

On 08/31/2010 10:32 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi.

 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com  wrote:
 our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC.

 I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront.

Thanks for noting. That reminds me that I can't be there either, but 
I'll ask Charlie whether he can take over.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 31.08.2010, 10:34 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune c...@gocept.com:

 Thanks for noting. That reminds me that I can't be there either, but
 I'll ask Charlie whether he can take over.

Sure, if you need me to.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 8/31/10 10:32 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi.

 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com  wrote:
 our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC.

 I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront.

 - Supporting Python 2.7

 I thought the current plan is to try to support Python 2.7 for ZTK 1.1
 (which will then be Python 2.5 - 2.7). Currently 1.0 beta is still
 blocked on test issues. Before we don't get these tests fixed, there
 is no point in branching off the ZTK trunk to a 1.0 branch and
 allowing feature development to happen. If we cannot get the tests
 fixed on the current list of supported systems, adding whole new ZTK
 version set will only make matters much worse.

It does bring up an interesting question: if not all supported systems 
can be supported, should support for some systems be dropped?

Wichert.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Tim Hoffman
Please don't drop 2.5 support yet.  I use zope.component, zope.interface,
zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine ;-) and that
won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect.

T

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:

 On 8/31/10 10:32 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
  Hi.
 
  On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com
  wrote:
  our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC.
 
  I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront.
 
  - Supporting Python 2.7
 
  I thought the current plan is to try to support Python 2.7 for ZTK 1.1
  (which will then be Python 2.5 - 2.7). Currently 1.0 beta is still
  blocked on test issues. Before we don't get these tests fixed, there
  is no point in branching off the ZTK trunk to a 1.0 branch and
  allowing feature development to happen. If we cannot get the tests
  fixed on the current list of supported systems, adding whole new ZTK
  version set will only make matters much worse.

 It does bring up an interesting question: if not all supported systems
 can be supported, should support for some systems be dropped?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 31.08.2010, 11:31 Uhr, schrieb Tim Hoffman zutes...@gmail.com:

 Please don't drop 2.5 support yet.  I use zope.component, zope.interface,
 zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine  and that
 won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect.

Hi Tim,

thanks to Hanno's clarifications on IRC last week let me point out that we  
are talking about the roadmap for the ZTK 1.1.

Support for Python 2.4 *will* be dropped this year. Python 2.5 is likely  
to survive longer not least because it is the supported version on the  
current version of Debian, although it's looking likely that there will be  
a new release (Debian 6.0 aka Squeeze) in the not too distant future. And  
I guess that GAE is still tied to 2.5? Beyond that, however, I think it's  
only reasonable to start looking at the migration towards a codebase that  
runs on Python 3.x and that may, at some point, mandate dropping support  
for Python 2.5. This especially in light of the fact that Python 2.5  
itself is in maintenance mode.

At the moment I think any incomaptabilities are related to tests and  
implements.

However, this is all in the future and subject, no doubt, to review.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-31 Thread Tres Seaver
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Tim Hoffman wrote:

 Please don't drop 2.5 support yet.  I use zope.component, zope.interface,
 zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine ;-) and that
 won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect.

You should be planning to stick with the ZTK 1.0 release line, then, as
it is known to support your platform.  The 1.1 versions may drop support
for Python 2.5, and definitely will drop support for 2.4;  those
versions will be supported by ZTK 1.0.


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[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-24 Thread Christian Theune
Hi again,

our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC.

I had a request that we talk about the buildbot organization and I'd 
also like to review the bug day.

Does anybody else have other topics?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-18 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

looks like my announcement was too late already.

Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update 
mail which you already received.

See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-18 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi.

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote:
 Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update
 mail which you already received.

Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at
the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before,
though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb.

 See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting!

/me sadly won't make it. I have a customer visiting the rest of the week.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-18 Thread Baiju M
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
 Hi.

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote:
 Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update
 mail which you already received.

 Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at
 the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before,
 though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb.

As I can see in this log, he talked to J-W and got the info :)

http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-08-17.log.html#t2010-08-17T18:04:44

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-18 Thread Christian Theune
On 08/18/2010 09:36 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi.

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com  wrote:
 Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update
 mail which you already received.

 Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at
 the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before,
 though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb.

Hallucination. It was J-W. (Sorry, J-W!)

 See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting!

 /me sadly won't make it. I have a customer visiting the rest of the week.

Ouh!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-18 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 18.08.2010, 08:36 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune c...@gocept.com:

 looks like my announcement was too late already.

It was too late for me to say I couldn't make it.

Greetings from the Oil Slick Sprint in Duck, NC!

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[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC

2010-08-17 Thread Christian Theune
Hi again,

late, but here it is:

We have an IRC meeting coming up in about an hour.

Topics, if nothing else comes up, will be

- upcoming bug day
- test noise reduction
- how to choose topics for the weekly meeting

Hope to see you later,
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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-02 Thread Charlie Clark

Am 01.06.2010, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune c...@gocept.com:


I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with
Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I
tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a
reply, so I'm unsure.


Well, I did make it. It was a fairly brief meeting, here's the summary.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-02 Thread Christian Theune
On 06/02/2010 02:55 PM, Charlie Clark wrote:
 Am 01.06.2010, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune c...@gocept.com:

 I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with
 Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I
 tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a
 reply, so I'm unsure.

 Well, I did make it. It was a fairly brief meeting, here's the summary.

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[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-01 Thread Christian Theune

Hi,

an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to 
consolidate floating documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and 
how we decide when to make a release of a package.


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2010-06-01
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This is the agenda and summary for the weekly Zope developer meeting of
Tuesday, 2010-06-01 on #z...@irc.freenode.org from 15:00 to 15:30 UTC.

Agenda
==

- Documentation
- Consolidate floating documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org

- Releases
- How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for
  which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any
  automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around
  unreleased for a while?

Ongoing issues
--

Those issues are currently ongoing. We don't have to discuss them. We just
need to follow up on them eventually.


- ZTK status
- Towards a ZTK release
- Documentation
- Release scope

- KGS 3.4.1 release
- Document release procedure (Adam)
- Index view for download.zope.org

- Test runners / nightly builds
- Windows machines
- Compiler licenses (Tres, postponed until after 2010-06-02)
- AMI/ (Sidnei, Adam)
- Amazon funding (Adam, Christian Theune)

- Bug tracking
- Monitoring tracker status (Charlie Clark, ctheune)

- Documentation
- Consolidate floating documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org

- Releases
- How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for
  which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any
  automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around
  unreleased for a while?

- Metrics for bug days
- Find a way to demonstrate what/how much work happened on a bug day.

- Meta
- Review meeting itself, maybe add extra 15 minutes for meta once a
  month or every two months? (postponed until 2010-06-01)
- How to organize open issues in the long run (Blueprints?
  Other tool? Continue text files?)
- Find second person to run the weekly meetings


Topic proposals
---

- Lennart: Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making
  releases of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think
  the ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for this that
  people can follow.

- Chris McDonough: Pondering *some* (re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for
  better maintenance/release management/communication/marketing. 

- Christian Theune: I'd like us to ponder how we can (in addition to the
  housekeeping and cleanups we do) also move to do constructive work together
  to expand the stuff that Zope packages (ZTK) is about. How do we go about
  implementing new technologies together, like supporting HTML 5 in the
  various parts? I'd like to start putting in new code in the foreseeable
  future in the zope.* namespace.

Summary
===

The IRC log is available here:
http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-05-25.log.html#t2010-05-25T18:00:25

Windows builds
--

Adam didn't manage to look into the AMIs due to illness. He did draft an
initial proposal that he started discussed with Christian Theune to get
funding for a hosted windows build machine from the foundation.

However, Amazon might not be the right choice due to the high cost associated
with 64-bit machines.  Rackspace's Windows VMs seem to be a viable alternative
and will be investigated by Adam. Adam and Christian will write a proposal to
present at the next board meeting on 2010-06-02 that:

- includes a trial period (
  funding for 1-2 months to set everything up
  and make sure it does what we need)
- subsequent cost after the trial period
- ensures control over the machine is available to the foundation but can be
  handed over to individual community members easily

An open question is whether 64-bit Windows installations allow installing the
build chains for 32-bit and 64-bit in parallel. (Adam to ask Sidnei for input)

KGS 3.4.1 release
-

The KGS release is going to have a release candidate as soon as Adam gets to
it. He noted that actual .tar and .exe releases will be made on request (the
option will be stated in the release notes).

In an earlier meeting Adam wanted to write documentation about the release
process but pointed out that there's already sufficient documentation in
zope.release that helped him make the releases. Additional baijum and srichter
pointed out resources
(http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/DeveloperInfo#release-management and
http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/MakingARelease) that are related to this.

Tres noted that we might put a new item on our list: generally consolidating
the documentation floating 

Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-01 Thread Christian Theune
On 06/01/2010 03:11 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
 Hi,

 an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to
 consolidate floating documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and
 how we decide when to make a release of a package.

The meeting is on IRC (irc://freenode/#zope) of course ...


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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-01 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

On 06/01/2010 03:13 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
 On 06/01/2010 03:11 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
 Hi,

 an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to
 consolidate floating documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and
 how we decide when to make a release of a package.

 The meeting is on IRC (irc://freenode/#zope) of course ...

I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with 
Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I 
tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a 
reply, so I'm unsure.

Is anyone else able to take over today?

Christian

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