Re: [Zope-dev] Python2.4 Security Audit ETA???

2005-11-28 Thread Andreas Jung



--On 29. November 2005 17:16:55 +1100 Alan Milligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Hi,

Aeons ago someone promised that said Zope security audit of Python 2.4
was scheduled for October.  I've not yet seen any happy announcements
that Zope is now 2.4 compliant, and do want to highlight the importance
of achieving this goal.


I thought the recent postings on this issue were clear enough. Zope 2.9 
will

*require* Python 2.4.2. The requirements and recommendations for Zope 2.8.X
have not changed and are unlikely to change. Please no further discussion 
about why we still don't support Python 2.4 for Zope 2.8 officially...


-aj




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Re: [Zope-dev] Python2.4 Security Audit ETA???

2005-11-28 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Am Dienstag, den 29.11.2005, 17:16 +1100 schrieb Alan Milligan:
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> Hi,
...
> With the major distro's, Python is entrenched in their installer and gui
> processes and *all* packaging is focused around a single python (2.4 for
> everyone excepting our BastionLinux).

Not so true.

...
> We are getting an increasing number of people attempting to load
> incompatible packages.  It is not possible to downgrade python.  Most of
> userland is not competent to get a secondary python2.3 installation
> running - especially when packages such as python-ldap are simply not
> available for their old python and new ldap etc etc which all requires
> custom package builds.

Aha.
python2.1-ldap - A LDAP interface module for Python 2.1
python2.2-ldap - A LDAP interface module for Python 2.2
python2.3-ldap - A LDAP interface module for Python 2.3


> We are also stuck in a time-warp actually having to back-port a large
> proportion of recent linux packages because we'd like to make new
> features available, increasing costs and testing requirements.  It is
> also no longer possible for customers to subscribe to just a single
> channel because our core is substantially different to their chosen
> vendor's installation, and packages will be installed into meaningless
> python paths etc.
> 
> Can someone please give me an ETA on this, so I can decide if and how to
> support zope in light of other pressing linux requirements for our distro.

Well, while it would certainly fine to have said audit, it isnt really
a problem - every since different python versions could happily coexist
on every platforms I've seen. Even on win32.

But someone has to do it. If you feel the itch - would you help
scratching it at least?

++Tino

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[Zope-dev] Python2.4 Security Audit ETA???

2005-11-28 Thread Alan Milligan
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Hi,

Aeons ago someone promised that said Zope security audit of Python 2.4
was scheduled for October.  I've not yet seen any happy announcements
that Zope is now 2.4 compliant, and do want to highlight the importance
of achieving this goal.

Python2.4 has been out for almost a year now, and it's fairly
ubiquitous.  There've been many statements made on this list about
people quite happily running their Zope's - contrary to white hat advice.

With the major distro's, Python is entrenched in their installer and gui
processes and *all* packaging is focused around a single python (2.4 for
everyone excepting our BastionLinux).

In reality it is infeasible to support a second version of Python for
Z2.  Many modules have SWIG bindings (while core Z2 doesn't require much
of this, a number of products do), requiring multiple package versions -
build systems cannot cope with this scenario without massive spec
customisations (which is all pointless given the window of this
requirement - and of course that we've all actually learnt something for
python2.5, python2.6 )

We are getting an increasing number of people attempting to load
incompatible packages.  It is not possible to downgrade python.  Most of
userland is not competent to get a secondary python2.3 installation
running - especially when packages such as python-ldap are simply not
available for their old python and new ldap etc etc which all requires
custom package builds.

We are also stuck in a time-warp actually having to back-port a large
proportion of recent linux packages because we'd like to make new
features available, increasing costs and testing requirements.  It is
also no longer possible for customers to subscribe to just a single
channel because our core is substantially different to their chosen
vendor's installation, and packages will be installed into meaningless
python paths etc.

Can someone please give me an ETA on this, so I can decide if and how to
support zope in light of other pressing linux requirements for our distro.


Alan


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