[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 05:24:08PM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote:
 Heads up for the 2.8.0 final release. My plans are to make the final 
 release on Saturday morning. So any further changes should be done by 
 tomorrow at the latest.
 
 Cheers,
 -aj

Mind if I check in text-only changes to the 2_8 branch?
I'm playing with a checkout of the Zope-2_8-branch right now,
and while I was looking at doc/*txt to see what if anything is
said about migrating to 2.8, I noticed some really trivial typos
which I'd gladly check in (and merge to the trunk too).

5710 unit tests... holy cow.

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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Fred Drake
On 6/10/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mind if I check in text-only changes to the 2_8 branch?

It's still Friday for Andreas, so this is a good time!


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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 07:27:15PM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote:
 --On 10. Juni 2005 12:39:50 -0400 Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 6/10/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mind if I check in text-only changes to the 2_8 branch?
 
 It's still Friday for Andreas, so this is a good time!
 
 
 yeah...countdown is running :-)
 
 -aj

Done.  Like I said, just trivial docs typos.

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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:21:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
 Done.  Like I said, just trivial docs typos.

While I'm at it, anybody object to the attached patch to
doc/FAQ.txt ?

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Index: FAQ.txt
===
--- FAQ.txt (revision 30745)
+++ FAQ.txt (working copy)
@@ -194,7 +194,35 @@
(yay) it's var/z2.pid, for pcgi (not so yay), it's
var/pcgi.pid.
 
-4. After moving my old Data.fs to Zope 2.8 I get an 
+  Upgrading from Earlier Versions of Zope
+
+1. How can I upgrade to Zope 2.8?
+
+   The usual procedure when installing a new version of Zope is:
+
+   - Create a new instance (see doc/INSTALL.txt).
+
+   - Copy the var/Data.fs file from your old instance into your 
+ new instance's var/ directory. (It is best to do this while
+ the old instance is not running; alternatively, you can
+ use repozo.py as described at 
+ http://www.zope.org/Wikis/ZODB/FileStorageBackup 
+ to make a live backup, then create a new Data.fs from that
+ backup in your new instance.)
+
+ Keep your old Data.fs in the old instance as a backup.
+ 
+   - Copy the Products and Extensions directories from your old 
+ instance into the new instance.
+
+   - Update etc/zope.conf with any changes you made in your
+ old instance.  (Likewise for zeo.conf if you are using zeo.)
+
+   - Start the new instance. (Be sure the old instance is not running.)
+
+   - Update any ZCatalogs as described below. 
+
+2. After moving my old Data.fs to Zope 2.8 I get an 
AttributeError, _length when trying to use the ZCatalog?
 
In Zope 2.8 we cleaned up the index implementations and therefore
@@ -224,6 +252,25 @@
   converted and reindexed
 
 
+3. CMF doesn't work!
+
+Check that you have a recent stable version of CMF.
+You need at least CMF-1.4.8.  CMF is available at
+http://www.zope.org/Products/CMF/
+
+
+4. Plone doesn't work!
+
+As of the release of Zope 2.8.0, Plone does not support
+Zope 2.8 yet.  Check http://www.plone.org for updates.
+
+
+5. I'm using Python 2.4 and I'm having a problem...
+
+   Zope 2.8 has not been tested with Python 2.4.
+   Please use Python 2.3.
+
+
   General
 
 
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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:07:51PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:21:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
  Done.  Like I said, just trivial docs typos.
 
 While I'm at it, anybody object to the attached patch to
 doc/FAQ.txt ?

(snip)

Holy crap, FAQ.txt is rally crufty.
It's loaded with pcgi information and other useless crap.
Gimme a minute to come up with a better patch.
I should make a branch for this.
 
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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Tim Peters
[Paul Winkler]
 Holy crap, FAQ.txt is rally crufty.
 It's loaded with pcgi information and other useless crap.
 Gimme a minute to come up with a better patch.
 I should make a branch for this.

I vote you check in changes instead, until you run out of time.  Every
improvement will lessen confusion for countless multitudes until the
end of time.  Perfection is overrated 0.9 wink.

Thanks for doing it, BTW!  Some things get so out of date that
paralysis is the natural reaction -- but a chain of small improvements
can turn that around.
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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Fred Drake
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:21:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
 Done.  Like I said, just trivial docs typos.

Yeah, but improvements are improvements!

On 6/10/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I'm at it, anybody object to the attached patch to
 doc/FAQ.txt ?

I don't see a need to include the disclaimer about Python 2.4; I test
on 2.4, and use Zope 3 trunk with 2.4.1 all the time.


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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:40:41PM -0400, Tim Peters wrote:
 [Paul Winkler]
  Holy crap, FAQ.txt is rally crufty.
  It's loaded with pcgi information and other useless crap.
  Gimme a minute to come up with a better patch.
  I should make a branch for this.
 
 I vote you check in changes instead, until you run out of time.  

OK, done on 2_8-branch and merged to trunk.

 Every
 improvement will lessen confusion for countless multitudes until the
 end of time.  Perfection is overrated 0.9 wink.

Yeah, e.g. even if we never get our butts in gear to release it,
Chris's 2.7 version of the Zope Book is still vastly better than
the 2.6 version (which was vastly better than 2.5, etc.)

 Thanks for doing it, BTW!  Some things get so out of date that
 paralysis is the natural reaction -- but a chain of small improvements
 can turn that around.

Agreed. If I had nothing else to do I would poke around in that directory
some more. I think WEBSERVERS.txt could use some attention, and
probably others too.

Sadly there's other things in doc/ that could use the attention,
and I have to get back to Real Work now.

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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:04:48PM -0400, Fred Drake wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:21:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
  Done.  Like I said, just trivial docs typos.
 
 Yeah, but improvements are improvements!
 
 On 6/10/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  While I'm at it, anybody object to the attached patch to
  doc/FAQ.txt ?
 
 I don't see a need to include the disclaimer about Python 2.4; I test
 on 2.4, and use Zope 3 trunk with 2.4.1 all the time.

Maybe you do, but it really is a FAQ, and that's the consensus response
from the chorus every time it comes up on the main zope list, so I feel 
justified :-)

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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Tim Peters
[Fred Drake]
 I don't see a need to include the disclaimer about Python 2.4; I test
 on 2.4, and use Zope 3 trunk with 2.4.1 all the time.

[Paul Winkler]
 Maybe you do, but it really is a FAQ, and that's the consensus response
 from the chorus every time it comes up on the main zope list, so I feel
 justified :-)

It's the right answer, too.  No security audit has been done against
Python 2.4 for Zope use yet, and Zope Corp won't officially bless 2.4
for use with Zope until that's been done.

Note that the story is different for ZODB:  Python 2.4+ is officially
blessed for standalone ZODB use.  This is one advantage of keeping
DTML out of the storage layer wink.
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