[Zope-dev] Re: Buildout site

2008-07-17 Thread Martijn Faassen

Hey,

Thanks Baiju for getting it this far and Jens for helping to set it up!

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

On Jul 17, 2008, at 14:02 , Baiju M wrote:

  Few weeks back Buildout site become live, Jens Vagelpohl setup the
site at http://buildout.zope.org/  But I couldn't work further on the 
site.

If anyone want contribute to the content please add it here:

svn co svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/buildout-website/trunk/


Just FYI, the final resting place for this information will likely be 
inside a more general documentation website, the address 
buildout.zope.org is just a temporary resting place.


Just to make a discussion Jens and I were having in the background explicit.

While it's good if this appears in the Zope stack documentation site, 
 I think it's also important for there being a separate identity for 
the buildout project. This goes beyond documentation, but also talks 
about a developer community and invites people to use it in their own 
projects, as well as contribute. I also think an overview of recipes 
could be a good part of this.


I think a separate website is part of such an identity. Other things 
that could help establish an identity are things like a logo.


Regards,

Martijn

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[Zope-dev] Re: Buildout site

2008-07-17 Thread Martijn Faassen

Baiju M wrote:

Hi all,
   Few weeks back Buildout site become live, Jens Vagelpohl setup the
site at http://buildout.zope.org/  But I couldn't work further on the site.
If anyone want contribute to the content please add it here:

svn co svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/buildout-website/trunk/


One thing I wondered is whether we cannot make the buildout website, at 
least the documentation bits, part of the buildout SVN project itself. 
This way we can make release specific documentation releases as well, 
like for instance Python does.


We do still need an entry page for the buildout site itself, though. 
Perhaps this could also be maintained in the buildout svn.


Regards,

Martijn

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[Zope-dev] Re: Buildout site

2008-07-17 Thread Ethan Jucovy
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just FYI, the final resting place for this information will likely be
 inside a more general documentation website, the address buildout.zope.org
 is just a temporary resting place.

 Just to make a discussion Jens and I were having in the background explicit.

 While it's good if this appears in the Zope stack documentation site,  I
 think it's also important for there being a separate identity for the
 buildout project. This goes beyond documentation, but also talks about a
 developer community and invites people to use it in their own projects, as
 well as contribute. I also think an overview of recipes could be a good part
 of this.

 I think a separate website is part of such an identity. Other things that
 could help establish an identity are things like a logo.

I think this is a really fantastic idea.  To speak broadly, it's great
that you're so mindful of the real importance of identity -- in both a
branding sense and simply in the sense of being a self-contained
entity -- for the development of software communities and software
itself.  Buildout is a standalone product independent of the Zope
framework or libraries, but that's only meaningful if it actively
establishes an independent identity in people's minds.

I think you're doing a really great thing for the community by paying
attention to these issues.  So, in short, thanks.  :)

Cheers,
Ethan



 Regards,

 Martijn

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