Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP support?
On 1/7/07, Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I think it would be time to support SOAP out-of-the-box in some way in Zope 2. XMLRPC is still a useful functionality but the whole world speak of web-services and Zope should support building web-services at least on the SOAP level. I am sure that would bring back some more attention to Zope as application-server. There are several SOAP related products available on zope.org. Does anyone know about their functionality, pros & cons? I know that there is also some SOAP support available for Plone/Archetypes (I think written by Benjamin Saller). Thoughts? We implemented a soap service one year ago, in the end, I was parsing the incoming stream, and generated the soap messages by hand. The available tools at that time were soappy with a zope2 wrapper and zsi <2.0 soappy was already in a stage where the developers said that they dont maintain it any more, and people should use zsi. At that time zsi was mostly dead, but some people were writing, there would be a new version soon. That actually happened, but I never looked into that 2.0 version, because I could read and write soap requests already. The old zsi looked very complicated, and threw errors at my wsdl spec. A bit off topic but I still want to throw it in: If you have the freedom to decide whether you offer soap services or not, please read these texts during your evaluation: http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-stands-for-simple/ http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/bad/whySoapSucks.html Especially the strong typing bites us hard sometimes. If I had to support a soap interface as a server, I would receive a wsdl spec file, and would have to implement the message stubs, so for this part, I would need a wsdl parser that creates method stubs. If I would be a client, I would receive a wsdl spec file and would need a wsdl parser that creates method stubs, that actually make type checks of what I send. In the real worlds I live in, it would not help to make every method automatically available as a soap service, because there are ugly and subtle impendance mismatches, for example, if you would want to transfer sets instead of lists. It would be serious pita, to write a method so that it adheres to a complex, given wsdl spec file, and that is probably most often the case. So maybe, soap support would just mean a good documentation of integration of zsi generated code in your product code. Best regards, Patrick Gerken ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP support?
Andreas Jung wrote: > Hi, > > I think it would be time to support SOAP out-of-the-box in some way in > Zope 2. XMLRPC is still a useful functionality but the whole world > speak of > web-services and Zope should support building web-services at least on > the SOAP level. I am sure that would bring back some more attention to > Zope as application-server. > > There are several SOAP related products available on zope.org. Does > anyone know about their functionality, pros & cons? I know that there > is also some SOAP support available for Plone/Archetypes (I think > written by Benjamin Saller). > i like the idea ver much, we have been doing a number of projects that needed SOAP connectivity. we always used pythons HTTP/URL-libs to connect to the services. therefore I can not comment available Zope/Plone based tools. Using SOAP implementing these project not only might have been more straight forward but would have left the client (even) more confident to have chosen the right tool. robert begin:vcard fn:robert rottermann n:rottermann;robert email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:031 333 10 20 tel;fax:031 333 10 23 tel;home:031 333 36 03 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] SOAP support?
Hi, I think it would be time to support SOAP out-of-the-box in some way in Zope 2. XMLRPC is still a useful functionality but the whole world speak of web-services and Zope should support building web-services at least on the SOAP level. I am sure that would bring back some more attention to Zope as application-server. There are several SOAP related products available on zope.org. Does anyone know about their functionality, pros & cons? I know that there is also some SOAP support available for Plone/Archetypes (I think written by Benjamin Saller). Thoughts? Andreas pgp9qlY9TNM6w.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP Support for ZOPE
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: Richard Jones wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:54 am, Aruna Kathiria wrote: I did some work regarding SOAP support on ZOPE and published this document on zope.org. Is there really no interest in getting SOAP support into the Zope core? I've got a guy working on some Microsoft Word stuff at the moment, and he was dumbfounded when he discovered that Zope doesn't support SOAP. In his words, "everyone supports SOAP". Sigh :) Are there any objections to getting Aruna's patches into the 2.8 codebase? I'd be willing to do the work - but note I know practically nothing about SOAP - I just want to be able to use it. I would like to have SOAP support in the Zope core (both z2 and z3). We are probably going to be forced to interface with Java based SOAP enabled software next year, and I for one would feel more comfortable being able to say that Zope supports SOAP out of the box... think "important selling point". Ha! That's because you are located in Microsoftistan. Also known as "Sweden". :P But I agree, it would be nice with SOAP support out of the box. However, that means including several third-party libraries, which either is a bit complicated, or may be hard due to licensing. One possible way is to add a module (similar to the soapByCignex.py module) to the ZPublisher and use "try/except ImportError" to import it. The third party python modules could then be downloaded and installed and the server restarted, to add SOAP support. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP Support for ZOPE
Richard wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:54 am, Aruna Kathiria wrote: > > I did some work regarding SOAP support on ZOPE and published this > > document on zope.org. > > Is there really no interest in getting SOAP support into the Zope > core? I've got a guy working on some Microsoft Word stuff at the > moment, and he was dumbfounded when he discovered that Zope doesn't > support SOAP. In his words, "everyone supports SOAP". Sigh :) There is probably interest, but it needs motivated people like Aruna and you to push it. > Are there any objections to getting Aruna's patches into the 2.8 > codebase? I'd be willing to do the work - but note I know practically > nothing about SOAP - I just want to be able to use it. One problem is that Aruna's approach introduces dependencies to external modules: fpconst, and a patched SOAPy. If these can be resolved, why not. Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) CTO, Director of R&D +33 1 40 33 71 59 http://nuxeo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP Support for ZOPE
Richard Jones wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:54 am, Aruna Kathiria wrote: I did some work regarding SOAP support on ZOPE and published this document on zope.org. Is there really no interest in getting SOAP support into the Zope core? I've got a guy working on some Microsoft Word stuff at the moment, and he was dumbfounded when he discovered that Zope doesn't support SOAP. In his words, "everyone supports SOAP". Sigh :) Are there any objections to getting Aruna's patches into the 2.8 codebase? I'd be willing to do the work - but note I know practically nothing about SOAP - I just want to be able to use it. I would like to have SOAP support in the Zope core (both z2 and z3). We are probably going to be forced to interface with Java based SOAP enabled software next year, and I for one would feel more comfortable being able to say that Zope supports SOAP out of the box... think "important selling point". /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP Support for ZOPE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:54 am, Aruna Kathiria wrote: > I did some work regarding SOAP support on ZOPE and published this > document on zope.org. Is there really no interest in getting SOAP support into the Zope core? I've got a guy working on some Microsoft Word stuff at the moment, and he was dumbfounded when he discovered that Zope doesn't support SOAP. In his words, "everyone supports SOAP". Sigh :) Are there any objections to getting Aruna's patches into the 2.8 codebase? I'd be willing to do the work - but note I know practically nothing about SOAP - I just want to be able to use it. Richard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBv2oRrGisBEHG6TARAgCuAJ0fVQoVsme1ShzPYT3rpw6mE6etXgCfb6Uf sp8baNmBJP1rV7yF/CfikMQ= =olB3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP Support for ZOPE
Aruna Kathiria wrote: I did some work regarding SOAP support on ZOPE and published this document on zope.org. The link for this document is http://zope.org/Members/arunacgx/SOAP%20Support%20on%20Zope/file_view I would like to get feedback/suggestion regarding this document. One preliminary suggestion: In the section entitled "3.2.4 Correcting HTTPRequest.py", I would suggest that instead of having users edit the file, you could instead distribute your product as a "Monkey Patch" Zope Product that overrides the HTTPRequest.processInputs method with your altered version. You can see an example of this in the XmlFix Product attached to the followign mailing-list item: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2004-June/151497.html Basically you would do this: ### Import the HTTPRequest object we want to alter from ZPublisher.HTTPRequest import HTTPRequest ### Save the *old* processInputs method def initialize(context): HTTPRequest._realProcessInputs = HTTPRequest.processInputs HTTPRequest.processInputs = processInputs ### Write a new processInputs method that does what we want def processInputs(self, *args, **kw): if myProductShouldHandleThisRequest: do_stuff() else: ### Hand over to the original processInputs return self._realProcessInputs(*args, **kw) Since this is a Zope Product, the above code would run once every time you started Zope, and is much more "portable" between Zope installations than having the admin edit code. Hope that helps, John Ziniti ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] SOAP support on ZOPE (small correction)
Title: SOAP support on ZOPE (small correction) Hello everyone: I found one small mistake on this document and it is in SoapByCignex.py Pl comment out following line before testing. Import wsdllib Thanks, Aruna Kathiriya ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] SOAP Support for ZOPE
Title: SOAP Support for ZOPE Hello: I did some work regarding SOAP support on ZOPE and published this document on zope.org. The link for this document is http://zope.org/Members/arunacgx/SOAP%20Support%20on%20Zope/file_view I would like to get feedback/suggestion regarding this document. With Regards, Aruna Kathiriya Sr.Consultant, CIGNEX Technologies, Inc T: 408.327.9900 x 314 F: 408.273.6785 C: 408.896.1330 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U: www.cignex.com "Implement IT Right" ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
