[Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Hi, Zope currently has two ways of distributing products: 1. Tarballs containing python products 2. .zexps containing methods, ZClass products and the like. Things are now getting bad as products are emerging (PTK, Tracker, etc) which require both of these to get a single product working which is horrible :/ What is needed is a new way of installing Zope stuff for the following categories: 1. Python Base Products (Like ZPatterns, PTKBase and TrackerBase) 2. Instantiatable Products (like TinyTables, Squishdot and Tracker) 3. Interface Skins (none right now, DemoPortal is probably the closest) Most importantly of all, collections of the above... (PTK is an example here, Tracker would be as well) Does anyone have any ideas? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Here is a page by Butch Landingin at http://www.zope.org/Members/butchland/ZopePackProposal He talks about the need for a Zope Pack Manager. Or maybe that should be Zope Package Manager? :) It would be nice to have a single unified way of preparing apps, products or whatever for distribution. The process be nicely automated or provide a user interface for building the distributable. The install process would also need to be just as painless. Jimmie Houchin Chris Withers wrote: > > Hi, > > Zope currently has two ways of distributing products: > 1. Tarballs containing python products > 2. .zexps containing methods, ZClass products and the like. > > Things are now getting bad as products are emerging (PTK, Tracker, etc) > which require both of these to get a single product working which is > horrible :/ > > What is needed is a new way of installing Zope stuff for the following > categories: > 1. Python Base Products (Like ZPatterns, PTKBase and TrackerBase) > 2. Instantiatable Products (like TinyTables, Squishdot and Tracker) > 3. Interface Skins (none right now, DemoPortal is probably the closest) > > Most importantly of all, collections of the above... (PTK is an example > here, Tracker would be as well) > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > cheers, > > Chris > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Jimmie Houchin wrote: > It would be nice to have a single unified way of preparing apps, > products or whatever for distribution. The process be nicely automated > or provide a user interface for building the distributable. The install > process would also need to be just as painless. Totally agree. Thanks for the link to Butch's stuff, I like the ideas but think even they're a bit out of date now :/ There's also the distribution tab: http://hack.middle/Control_Panel/Products/YourProduct/manage_distributionView But this created junk for me :( However, I think the larger problem still needs to be solved. cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Chris Withers writes: > Hi, > > Zope currently has two ways of distributing products: > 1. Tarballs containing python products > 2. .zexps containing methods, ZClass products and the like. > > Things are now getting bad as products are emerging (PTK, Tracker, etc) > which require both of these to get a single product working which is > horrible :/ > > What is needed is a new way of installing Zope stuff for the following > categories: > 1. Python Base Products (Like ZPatterns, PTKBase and TrackerBase) > 2. Instantiatable Products (like TinyTables, Squishdot and Tracker) > 3. Interface Skins (none right now, DemoPortal is probably the closest) Tarballs are flexible enough to install both a Python Products and associated ZClasses from ZEXP's (the products "__init__" function imports the ZEXP at the appropriate place, if it is not already there). I do not say, this is optimal. Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Dieter Maurer wrote: > > What is needed is a new way of installing Zope stuff for the following > > categories: > > 1. Python Base Products (Like ZPatterns, PTKBase and TrackerBase) > > 2. Instantiatable Products (like TinyTables, Squishdot and Tracker) > > 3. Interface Skins (none right now, DemoPortal is probably the closest) Sadly tarballs only address issues 1 & 2 that I can see above... I wonder if ZPatterns Specialists address 3? > Tarballs are flexible enough to install both a Python Products and > associated ZClasses from ZEXP's (the products "__init__" function > imports the ZEXP at the appropriate place, if it is not already > there). I presume you mean the thing created by the 'Distribution' tab of products? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Chris Withers wrote: > > Dieter Maurer wrote: > > > What is needed is a new way of installing Zope stuff for the following > > > categories: > > > 1. Python Base Products (Like ZPatterns, PTKBase and TrackerBase) > > > 2. Instantiatable Products (like TinyTables, Squishdot and Tracker) > > > 3. Interface Skins (none right now, DemoPortal is probably the closest) > > Sadly tarballs only address issues 1 & 2 that I can see above... > > I wonder if ZPatterns Specialists address 3? > > > Tarballs are flexible enough to install both a Python Products and > > associated ZClasses from ZEXP's (the products "__init__" function > > imports the ZEXP at the appropriate place, if it is not already > > there). > > I presume you mean the thing created by the 'Distribution' tab of > products? I believe he is talkin gabout the __init__ function checking to see if the .zexp has been imported, and if not, importing it for you. It's an idea I have kicked around, but haven't tried yet. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are easy to annoy, and have the root password. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Bill Anderson wrote: > I believe he is talkin gabout the __init__ function checking to see if > the .zexp has been imported, and if not, importing it for you. It's an > idea I have kicked around, but haven't tried yet. IIRC, the 'Distribution' tab creates all this for you... It creates a binary file (maybe a zexp?) and an __init__.py file that imports it for you and wraps them all up in a TarBall with the correct paths :-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Chris Withers wrote: > > Bill Anderson wrote: > > I believe he is talkin gabout the __init__ function checking to see if > > the .zexp has been imported, and if not, importing it for you. It's an > > idea I have kicked around, but haven't tried yet. > > IIRC, the 'Distribution' tab creates all this for you... > > It creates a binary file (maybe a zexp?) and an __init__.py file that > imports it for you and wraps them all up in a TarBall with the correct > paths :-) > > cheers, > > Chris Hmmm .. I don't seem to see any zexps in any of the distribution tabbed products I have. Admittedly, that isn't a high number :| -- Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are easy to annoy, and have the root password. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Bill Anderson wrote: > > Chris Withers wrote: > > > > Bill Anderson wrote: > > > I believe he is talkin gabout the __init__ function checking to see if > > > the .zexp has been imported, and if not, importing it for you. It's an > > > idea I have kicked around, but haven't tried yet. > > > > IIRC, the 'Distribution' tab creates all this for you... > > > > It creates a binary file (maybe a zexp?) and an __init__.py file that > > imports it for you and wraps them all up in a TarBall with the correct > > paths :-) > > > > cheers, > > > > Chris > > Hmmm .. I don't seem to see any zexps in any of the distribution tabbed > products I have. Admittedly, that isn't a high number :| The Distribution tab creates a gzip'ed archive with an __init__.py, a version.txt, and a product.dat. The file product.dat is pretty much a zexp but it has a couple of extra goodies in it for "configurability". I've created a patch that allows you to create redistributable archives with the distribution tab. It's checked in to CVS on a branch. This is what was needed for us to start using the distribution tab more frequently. Shane ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Add-on Installation
Shane Hathaway wrote: > I've created a patch that allows you to create redistributable archives > with the distribution tab. It's checked in to CVS on a branch. This > is what was needed for us to start using the distribution tab more > frequently. Great :-) Thanks again Shane... Is the patch around anywhere? will it land in 2.2.1? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
