Re: [ZWeb] Zope Foundation Design 1 Version2
On 9/5/06, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, we'll go with the last one then (the fluid one). We might do another tweak the layout iteration later on, but right now let's move on to getting the text written. Yay! Extreme web development by comitte! :) -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Zope Foundation Design 1 Version2
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: +1 On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:31 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: I prefer the fluid layout from a visual perspective, and the fixed, from a usability/readablity persepctive. Hence, I don't are which you choose. :) Stop bickering and Just Do It (tm). ;) Okay, we'll go with the last one then (the fluid one). We might do another tweak the layout iteration later on, but right now let's move on to getting the text written. See elsewhere on this mailing list. :) Thank you very much Tom! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Zope Foundation Design 1 Version2
+1 On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:31 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: I prefer the fluid layout from a visual perspective, and the fixed, from a usability/readablity persepctive. Hence, I don't are which you choose. :) Stop bickering and Just Do It (tm). ;) ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Zope Foundation Design 1 Version2
I prefer the fluid layout from a visual perspective, and the fixed, from a usability/readablity persepctive. Hence, I don't are which you choose. :) Stop bickering and Just Do It (tm). ;) ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] content discussion
Hi there, This is what I wrote so far concerning the Zope Foundation. I welcome any input or extensions so we can improve this text. Any text you can contribute? Any sections you would look for and are missing? Send your responses to the list for now. Soon this will expand beyond my mailbox and I'll likely start something in svn.zope.org to maintain the text (we can always put it into a CMS later). Regards, Martijn Homepage Welcome --- The Zope Foundation provides support for the Zope community and the Zope platform. Our community includes the open source community of contributors to the Zope platform and associated software, as well as the community of businesses and organizations that use Zope. The Zope Foundation is the copyright holder of the Zope software and many extensions and associated software. The Zope Foundation also manages the zope.org website and the associated infrastructure for open source collaboration. `More information about the Zope Foundation`_. Join the Zope Foundation You or your organization are invited to `join the Zope Foundation`_. There are many ways in which you can contribute in helping us move forward the Zope platform. News Minutes of first board meeting available The Zope Foundation conducted its founding meeting.. Zope Foundation incorporated! ~ The Zope Foundation was incorporated officially at.. About the Zope Foundation = Introduction The Zope Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation that provides support for the Zope community and the Zope platform and its associated software. Our community includes the open source community of contributers as well as the community of businesses and organizations that use Zope. The aim of the Zope Foundation is to assist these communities in moving the Zope platform forward. It does this in several ways: * *The future of Zope is ensured.* The foundation is an independent body that holds the copyrights to the Zope source code. It also maintains the zope.org website. The foundation is therefore able to ensure the continued promotion and development of the platform. * *Accountable open source.* The Foundation, through its `copyright assignment policy`_, makes sure that any contributions by community members are placed under an accountable liberal open source license (the `ZPL 2`_). This makes Zope platform safe to use in any open source or proprietary setting. * *Support the community.* The Zope community is made up of volunteers that care about the Zope platform. We help in organizing these volunteers so they have the ability to get things done and move Zope forward. * *Promotion of Zope.* The Zope Foundation promotes Zope. One important channel we use to promote Zope is the zope.org website, which is managed by the foundation. * *Project infrastructure.* Contributors to the Zope platform make use of extensive infrastructure in order to collaborate, ranging from mailing lists and issue trackers to version control systems. The Zope Foundation, thanks to volunteer contributions of its members, maintains this infrastructure. Membership == ... something about membership classes ... Form so people can send email to join = Foundation projects === * Zope 2 * Zope 3 * zope.org website Documents = * minutes of the board * bylaws * copyright policy * trademark ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Zope Foundation Design 1 Version2
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope Please let me know of any bugs and what your browsers/os setup is. Zope Foundation Design 1, Version 2 * Changed the layout from fixed to fluid. Right column expands and contracts based on browser window size. This means that any right column content must be fluid as well and work in various browser window sizes. For instance, ample space will need to be given to any floated images within text areas to prevent overlapping on larger browser windows. * Fixed overlapping nav text bug in Firefox/Linux. * Updated the logo in the upper left to be include the Zope logo and font (now image based). * Tested in Firefox/Mac, Opera/Mac, Safari/Mac, Firefox/Linux. Hey, thanks for this, great! I hadn't seen this just now and I would've been a bit less testy in my response elsewhere in the thread just now. :) The nav text bug is gone, so I can finally see the layout in all its glory. Not surprisingly, I like this layout better than the fixed one. So, some quick input which may influence me or not. :) Do you prefer the fluid layout: http://www.modscape.com/zope/foundation2/faq_html?foundsection=FAQ or the fixed? http://www.modscape.com/zope/foundation/faq_html?foundsection=FAQ (linux ignore the nav bug, and imagine the second zope foundation logo) Anyway, I'll start working on generating a site out of this with some actual text. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: "semi-stretchable" Would be nice if IE supported min-width and max-width in css. It doesn't. The only way I've seen anyone get that to work in IE is with some nasty javascript hack. We can keep going down this road though, fine with me. We'll be here for literally weeks and months going through all of the pros and cons of fixed vs. fluid layouts that have been debated for years. There is no right answer. I'm not out to discuss this stuff for weeks and months at all, I'm just asking fairly reasonable questions from the perspective of someone who doesn't know much about the intricacies of web site layouts. To answer my own question, it's clear from your response it *is* very difficult to make it semi stretchable, so we will let it be for now. We can always come back to it later. [snip] p.p.s. I will be working on the Linux rendering issues which is actually a good example of the real challenges with web design. Getting a standards based site to look good on IE an Firefox on a PC is a (nightmarish at times) challenge alone (mostly thanks to IE's lack of standards support). Getting it to work on every browser on every OS and look good is a boatload of work. My focus is to do just that while keeping the html and css *clean* and free of hacks and javascript as much as possible. Also, keeping the html reusable to easily implement future design changes and as maintenance free as possible. I'm surprised Firefox on linux is so different from Firefox on other platforms. [snip] Right now the biggest problem that Zope, zope.org as well as other zope products/properties suffers from is useability and marketing. The least of any problems is what color the sites are, whether the pages are fluid or fixed width or whatever. The real problem is that no knows what Zope is, how it works or how to use the sites. Look, you're doing a web design and you can reasonably expect some feedback from people. It's not a complete disaster. Ranting about how terrible I am for asking a few simple questions is not very productive either. If something is hard to do or unwise, I'm sure it can be communicated in a way that's a little bit less confrontational. Sorry for the rant back. :) Lets get past these basic design issues, get a test site up and running and start getting our hands dirty. Lets implement the html and css and then get down to brass tacks and start the *real* work of editorializing the content so that it's understandable to newcomers as well as veterans, making content easily accessible and clearly labeled, providing easy to use interfaces and functionality. This is exactly what I'm doing. I'm already editorializing content, it's just that nobody seems to be very interested in discussing *that* on this mailing list so far. Anyway, quite apart from this mini-debate, I'm still grateful for your efforts, so thank you again. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] planet.zope.org exists!
Hi there, Thanks to the work by Michael Haubenwallner and the assistance of Zope Corporation to get the system set up, we now have a working 'planet.zope.org', equivalent to planetzope.org. I'm going to send an announcement for this accomplishment to zope-announce shortly, hopefully attracting some more contributors to this list. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
