Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Andrew Sawyers wrote: What's up with zopefoundation.org - especially since it's changed since I looked at it yesterday? :P) We were making sure zopefoundation.org points to www.zope.org/foundation. zopefoundation.org was on a completely separate system that Mark Pratt was kind enough to set up for us, but the board decided it was not for us for the time being. Since then we've made zopefoundation.org point to the canonical location, which is, to repeat: http://www.zope.org/foundation Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 8/22/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I propose letting www.zope.org/foundation point to a Apache directory, where we maintain HTML files. We will then generate such HTML files from restructured text we maintain in the zope SVN repository, using a simple script that drives docutils. I'm torn between on one hand, the sillyness of not using Zope + what I think is a bit tricky from a maintaining point of view and on the other hand, the benefit of having things versioned. I have worked with the codespeak stuff, and I can't really say I like it, although it makes sense when it comes to code, with the automatic tarball generation form release tags and all that. Yes, this strategy indeed makes more sense with code (where documentation is often maintained along with the code) than with something like this site. In the end, what I care most about it that things happen now. So if this is faster than setting up a plone/cps/silva site, then by all means, go ahead. I do think it's faster to get going with this. [snip] However, integrating that layout into something that can be used primarily on Plone (or CPS. Or maybe both, with CPSSkins) usable for any *.zope.org microsites seems to be to be a worthwhile task. That's a very welcome offer! We have a (hopefully still) standing offer from the Plone community to host the site on the plone.org infrastructure that we definitely need to investigate. I hope we can all have this together in a couple of weeks, Weeks? Wasn't it working yesterday? :-) On 8/22/06, Andrew Sawyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's up with zopefoundation.org - especially since it's changed since I looked at it yesterday? :P) Yeah, I second that question. :^) It seems to me that the fastest way of doing this is doing what was done yesterday, and redirecting www.zope.org/foundation there. Unfortunately it was in a hosted environment entirely separate from zope.org or even the zope community as far as I'm aware. We also had the impression that it seemed to offer limited content management facilities - more facilities to maintain members and so on, but we don't have a need for something like that just yet. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
On 8/23/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think it's faster to get going with this. OK. We can always switch. I have a mantra: If it works now, then use it. This means to never hold out for something that might be better in the future, because it aint gonna happen. :) However, integrating that layout into something that can be used primarily on Plone (or CPS. Or maybe both, with CPSSkins) usable for any *.zope.org microsites seems to be to be a worthwhile task. That's a very welcome offer! We have a (hopefully still) standing offer from the Plone community to host the site on the plone.org infrastructure that we definitely need to investigate. I have never adapted a design for Plone (or even CPS for that matter) so I have no idea what kind of effort is involved. I have heard evil things though. :-) Maybe we can start a product to hold the skins somewhere, so several people can work on different bits of it? Yeah, I second that question. :^) It seems to me that the fastest way of doing this is doing what was done yesterday, and redirecting www.zope.org/foundation there. Unfortunately it was in a hosted environment entirely separate from zope.org or even the zope community as far as I'm aware. We also had the impression that it seemed to offer limited content management facilities - more facilities to maintain members and so on, but we don't have a need for something like that just yet. So, is there a reason NOT to use it? And if there is, is there a reason not to use it temporarily. Pointing it there now, and switching to a script based system in a couple of weeks, would be much better than just switching in a couple of weeks, imo. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Mark Pratt wrote: [snip] Doesn't matter what system is used but we certainly have less than before -- unless anybody considers a zope.org page with 8 pdf downloads progress. I agree we have less than before, sorry. Then again, before we had two foundation websites with diverging information, and now we have one, so that's progress. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Martijn Faassen wrote: I agree we have less than before, sorry. Then again, before we had two foundation websites with diverging information, and now we have one, so that's progress. :) +1 Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Hi there, It's nearing september, and I'd like to start some work on zope.org, in particular www.zope.org/foundation. I'm looking for volunteers to help. As you all probably know, we have a Zope Foundation, of which I'm a board member (representative for the committer members). Aroldo Souza-Leite is also on the board as chairman. Aroldo and I are the board members responsible for the zope.org website committee. The task of the zope.org committee is to improve the zope.org web presence. Aroldo and I won't be doing the work or decision making alone, but since we have the backing of the foundation, we can make decisions stick. Volunteers are welcome to join this committee! One of the first tasks at hand is to improve the presence of the Zope Foundation on the web. We currently have a section here: http://www.zope.org/foundation This website doesn't look very pretty at all. My proposal is to reorganize it, have some introductory text, put in links to relevant information resources, such as mailing lists (including this one), and to stick a nice layout around it. This project will serve two purposes: * to create a nice website for the foundation. * serve as an example and test case for the wider zope.org renewal project. So, please help us out. Layout -- I propose we use Tom Von Lahndorff's design for the foundation website. For the purposes of the foundation site we should strip it down: * no login necessary * no search (unless we integrate google-based search, perhaps) * possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. This design is the top page; we need to see a sub-page design as well. Tom, are you still there? This time we're going to use what you made quickly, if you're willing! Structure and text -- Aroldo and I (Aroldo, I'm volunteering you :) are willing to work on a bunch of restructured text documents that introduce the zope foundation and set up the site structure. Technology -- I've said this before, and I'll just repeat it again: let's try to avoid technology discussions as much as we can. Most of us, including myself, are techies, so it's attractive to do this, but we just want to put a website up. This doesn't require any new technology, nor does it require a heavy-duty CMS. To break my own rule on no technology discussions right way: I propose letting www.zope.org/foundation point to a Apache directory, where we maintain HTML files. We will then generate such HTML files from restructured text we maintain in the zope SVN repository, using a simple script that drives docutils. If you want examples of websites that are managed this way and I have personal experience with, check out the following places on codespeak: http://codespeak.net/z3/ http://codespeak.net/lxml/ Since we're not aiming for a big site, this should be sufficient technology. For the larger zope.org, we may need something else, or we may not. Let's treat the foundation website as a trial case here too, and see how we like it. There's one alternative to this approach that will also work on the short term: a volunteer that's willing to work with zope.org and integrate the layout and text and structure we want into existing zope.org infrastructure. If someone volunteers to work on this, I'd be happy to do it that way as well. Does anyone volunteer? Any other technological approaches require more setup and I'd like to defer them for the time being. We can take them up when we tackle zope.org proper. I hope we can all have this together in a couple of weeks, so let's start working! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, It's nearing september, and I'd like to start some work on zope.org, in particular www.zope.org/foundation. I'm looking for volunteers to help. [...] I hope we can all have this together in a couple of weeks, so let's start working! I liked what i read, count me in. Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
What's up with zopefoundation.org - especially since it's changed since I looked at it yesterday? :P) A On 8/22/06 1:43 PM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, It's nearing september, and I'd like to start some work on zope.org, in particular www.zope.org/foundation. I'm looking for volunteers to help. As you all probably know, we have a Zope Foundation, of which I'm a board member (representative for the committer members). Aroldo Souza-Leite is also on the board as chairman. Aroldo and I are the board members responsible for the zope.org website committee. The task of the zope.org committee is to improve the zope.org web presence. Aroldo and I won't be doing the work or decision making alone, but since we have the backing of the foundation, we can make decisions stick. Volunteers are welcome to join this committee! One of the first tasks at hand is to improve the presence of the Zope Foundation on the web. We currently have a section here: http://www.zope.org/foundation This website doesn't look very pretty at all. My proposal is to reorganize it, have some introductory text, put in links to relevant information resources, such as mailing lists (including this one), and to stick a nice layout around it. This project will serve two purposes: * to create a nice website for the foundation. * serve as an example and test case for the wider zope.org renewal project. So, please help us out. Layout -- I propose we use Tom Von Lahndorff's design for the foundation website. For the purposes of the foundation site we should strip it down: * no login necessary * no search (unless we integrate google-based search, perhaps) * possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. This design is the top page; we need to see a sub-page design as well. Tom, are you still there? This time we're going to use what you made quickly, if you're willing! Structure and text -- Aroldo and I (Aroldo, I'm volunteering you :) are willing to work on a bunch of restructured text documents that introduce the zope foundation and set up the site structure. Technology -- I've said this before, and I'll just repeat it again: let's try to avoid technology discussions as much as we can. Most of us, including myself, are techies, so it's attractive to do this, but we just want to put a website up. This doesn't require any new technology, nor does it require a heavy-duty CMS. To break my own rule on no technology discussions right way: I propose letting www.zope.org/foundation point to a Apache directory, where we maintain HTML files. We will then generate such HTML files from restructured text we maintain in the zope SVN repository, using a simple script that drives docutils. If you want examples of websites that are managed this way and I have personal experience with, check out the following places on codespeak: http://codespeak.net/z3/ http://codespeak.net/lxml/ Since we're not aiming for a big site, this should be sufficient technology. For the larger zope.org, we may need something else, or we may not. Let's treat the foundation website as a trial case here too, and see how we like it. There's one alternative to this approach that will also work on the short term: a volunteer that's willing to work with zope.org and integrate the layout and text and structure we want into existing zope.org infrastructure. If someone volunteers to work on this, I'd be happy to do it that way as well. Does anyone volunteer? Any other technological approaches require more setup and I'd like to defer them for the time being. We can take them up when we tackle zope.org proper. I hope we can all have this together in a couple of weeks, so let's start working! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
