[Zope3-dev] Bug days before 3.4 alpha release ?
Hi Theuni, What about organizing one or two bug days before 3.4 alpha release ? I am still not clear how 3.4 release will look like for a user with eggs and buildouts. How a user will install it ? Will there be an all-in-one Zope 3 tar ball for off line installation? Will there be an all-in-one windows setup file? BTW, eggification proposal ( http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/EggificationOfZopePackages ) for packages in `zope` namespace is completed. Thanks to all those who implemented it. It was really a simple but massive task. Another task which become necessary was test layer support for individual packages, again it was also simple but massive task. Regards, Baiju M ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Community opinion about workflow engine
Hi all, We have the opportunity to bid for a project concerning the automation of administrative processes. The client currently has software in Python and Zope/Plone. They are quite explicit that they want their new applications to be built as much as possible with a mix of generic shareable modules and of custom modules. This is a quite big project that, among others, includes the aspects of collaboration with / support of the community. One of the questions we are exploring is : which workflow engine should we use/expand on ? In order to help us make a proposal, we would be very interested to hear your comments both - about the existing workflows (DCWorkflow, Zope3.wfmc, AlphaFlow, OpenFlow...) - or about the directions that you would suggest in order to help you use a given engine (missing features, simplification,...) and join the effort to improve one of the existing engines. Thanks -- Godefroid Chapelle (aka __gotcha)- BubbleNet http://bubblenet.be ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Re: Community opinion about workflow engine
Godefroid Chapelle schrieb: [..] In order to help us make a proposal, we would be very interested to hear your comments both - about the existing workflows (DCWorkflow, Zope3.wfmc, AlphaFlow, OpenFlow...) - or about the directions that you would suggest in order to help you use a given engine (missing features, simplification,...) and join the effort to improve one of the existing engines. Depends a bit on what you need in the end: Plone integration? activity based wf? stand-alone Zope 3 application (meaning: it should run in a plain Zope 3 environment, no Zope 2/Five/CMF/Plone ...) If you can get away with a simple state-based wf and you need Plone support DCWorkflow should be just fine. If you need to support activity-based workflows and Plone integration I'd start looking into AlphaFlow first and help Christian and the gocept guys to get it ready for Plone 3. ;-) If you need it to be independent of CMF/Plone ... then zope3.wfmc might be a starting point but without having looked at it recently I do think it's quite old and may not be up to the current best practices, so there might be some effort involved. Others please correct me if I'm wrong! Raphael Thanks ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Community opinion about workflow engine
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:48:24 -0400, Godefroid Chapelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We have the opportunity to bid for a project concerning the automation of administrative processes. The client currently has software in Python and Zope/Plone. They are quite explicit that they want their new applications to be built as much as possible with a mix of generic shareable modules and of custom modules. This is a quite big project that, among others, includes the aspects of collaboration with / support of the community. One of the questions we are exploring is : which workflow engine should we use/expand on ? In order to help us make a proposal, we would be very interested to hear your comments both - about the existing workflows (DCWorkflow, Zope3.wfmc, AlphaFlow, OpenFlow...) dcworkflow simple to use, well known, needs extension via custom guards and triggers to accomodate alot of workflow customization (send email, route to manager, etc.) zope3.wfmc.. abstract, potentially powerful, but imo, needs quite a bit of code to make anything non trivial functional. alphaflow.. i like the best as an architecture (ignoring AT implementation), i think that investing time rewriting it on z3 concepts would be time well spent, it has flexibility, a library for common actions, supports organizational workflows much better, and is model complete in terms of constructs to model conceptual workflows. openflow.. nothing to say. depending on your timeline.. of the two worth investigating, i would recommend alphaflow and z3.wfmc two cents, -kapil ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Zope3 Standalone Page Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to get Zope3 page templates installed as a standalone package. I thought this would be easy and maybe I am missing something, but, I am having no luck at all. I have seen several posts regarding doing this, but none of them seem to work any longer. On used zpkg to get the package and build a tarball, but the packaging failed with the data that was given, as files in the svn repository were moved. I looked around the for another method of getting them from svn but could not come up with anything. It looks like the files might be there to retrieve but I am unsure how. I tried to use the pagetemplate folder from a zope3 install but I cannot seem to get python to see it properly. The app that is looking for them imports them as such: from zope.pagetemplate import pagetemplatefile My goal was to install this in the site-packages folder in my python install. If anyone has any input at all it would be appreciated. TIA, - -- Jeffrey D Peterson Webmaster Crary Industries 237 12th St NW West Fargo, ND 58078 701-282-5520 ext 388 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9a2NRg9Dnm4xxXURAimBAJ4ihu7p6irOHwV8wk13v5cMlTlcBQCfWYCj PY7m0tCJ32pU++7mcIxfSt4= =ibA6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Community opinion about workflow engine
Hi, this definitely invites for some biased commenting. ;) Am Montag, den 12.03.2007, 16:48 +0100 schrieb Godefroid Chapelle: Hi all, We have the opportunity to bid for a project concerning the automation of administrative processes. The client currently has software in Python and Zope/Plone. They are quite explicit that they want their new applications to be built as much as possible with a mix of generic shareable modules and of custom modules. This is a quite big project that, among others, includes the aspects of collaboration with / support of the community. One of the questions we are exploring is : which workflow engine should we use/expand on ? In order to help us make a proposal, we would be very interested to hear your comments both - about the existing workflows (DCWorkflow, Zope3.wfmc, AlphaFlow, OpenFlow...) AlphaFlow is currently on the trip to version 2.0. We've been removing support for older Plones (2.0, 2.1) and are running on Plone 2.5 now. Additionally, we'll feature an extension of the architecture to fix the problem that workflows become crowded of technical activities by introducing aspects. Those will allow the control flow itself to stay focused on the business aspects of the workflow and annotate the start and end(s) of an activity with aspects (like changing security etc). The existing activities will stay or be converted into aspects. Check the doc/proposals directory in AlphaFlow to find out a little bit more about this. Additionally we finally will support editing workflows visuall. We gave up on the creation of our own visual editor and will support importing external formats into AlphaFlow. Due to a customer project we start by providing an import for Microsoft Visio XML. Unfortunately we can not just rewrite the whole thing for Zope 3 and then make it work with Plone again at once. When implementing the new features we are going to use as many Zope 3 technologies as possible, though. Some things, like AT, are going to stay for a while though. :/ We'd be happy to help you if you have any questions regarding the use of AlphaFlow of course. We have an extensive list of issues we had when pondering DCWorkflow and OpenFlow for a project that reasons why we did not choose them. Google should have a copy of one of my talks somewhere. Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Community opinion about workflow engine
Am Montag, den 12.03.2007, 12:16 -0400 schrieb Kapil Thangavelu: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:48:24 -0400, Godefroid Chapelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We have the opportunity to bid for a project concerning the automation of administrative processes. The client currently has software in Python and Zope/Plone. They are quite explicit that they want their new applications to be built as much as possible with a mix of generic shareable modules and of custom modules. This is a quite big project that, among others, includes the aspects of collaboration with / support of the community. One of the questions we are exploring is : which workflow engine should we use/expand on ? In order to help us make a proposal, we would be very interested to hear your comments both - about the existing workflows (DCWorkflow, Zope3.wfmc, AlphaFlow, OpenFlow...) dcworkflow simple to use, well known, needs extension via custom guards and triggers to accomodate alot of workflow customization (send email, route to manager, etc.) zope3.wfmc.. abstract, potentially powerful, but imo, needs quite a bit of code to make anything non trivial functional. alphaflow.. i like the best as an architecture (ignoring AT implementation), Thanks! I don't like the AT implementation myself either, although I'm also kind of happy that I made AT do what I want. ;) i think that investing time rewriting it on z3 concepts would be time well spent, it has flexibility, a library for common actions, supports organizational workflows much better, and is model complete in terms of constructs to model conceptual workflows. Ack. However, some user-friendlyness is still missing. See my other post. openflow.. nothing to say. I think it's dead by now. It didn't seem active a few years ago when we looked at it. Also, the code was kind of scary. It has a very generic model that allows a lot of things in general but is missing the specificity of Alphaflow's library. Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Re: Community opinion about workflow engine
Godefroid Chapelle wrote: One of the questions we are exploring is : which workflow engine should we use/expand on ? I'd go for zope.wfmc. zope.wfmc is arguably the best choice if you want to model with JaWE / XPDL. This is a nice intro to zope.wfmc: http://source.schooltool.org/svn/trunk/schooltool/doc/wfmc-workflows.txt ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Zope 3.4 release
Hi, we (Jim, Nathan, Michael and me) did some planning on how we're going to release Zope 3.4 and the future Zope 3 releases that are based on eggs. I tried to catch up and did my writing here: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/DefiningZope34Release There is also a project in the repository in Zope3.buildout that tries to implement the proposal and is a work in progress that doesn't work right now. Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope3 Standalone Page Templates
Perhaps take a look at http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/Ophelia/0.2 although it needs mod_python it's a standalone TAL-templating engine. HTH, __Janko Am 12.03.2007 um 20:44 schrieb Jeff Peterson: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to get Zope3 page templates installed as a standalone package. I thought this would be easy and maybe I am missing something, but, I am having no luck at all. I have seen several posts regarding doing this, but none of them seem to work any longer. On used zpkg to get the package and build a tarball, but the packaging failed with the data that was given, as files in the svn repository were moved. I looked around the for another method of getting them from svn but could not come up with anything. It looks like the files might be there to retrieve but I am unsure how. I tried to use the pagetemplate folder from a zope3 install but I cannot seem to get python to see it properly. The app that is looking for them imports them as such: from zope.pagetemplate import pagetemplatefile My goal was to install this in the site-packages folder in my python install. If anyone has any input at all it would be appreciated. TIA, - -- Jeffrey D Peterson Webmaster Crary Industries 237 12th St NW West Fargo, ND 58078 701-282-5520 ext 388 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9a2NRg9Dnm4xxXURAimBAJ4ihu7p6irOHwV8wk13v5cMlTlcBQCfWYCj PY7m0tCJ32pU++7mcIxfSt4= =ibA6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/jh%40zscout.de -- Janko Hauser email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: +49 1721 641552 PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
