[Zope3-dev] Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-02-27 Thread Paul Winkler
At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
It's now a separate project at
http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
and is stitched into zope as an external.

To update existing trunk sandboxes, you'll want to make clean
before doing svn up.  
If you have local changes under zope/interface, those will 
prevent an update.

We are planning to do this to a number of other packages:

zope.i18n
zope.i18nmessageid
zope.deprecation
zope.exceptions
zope.tal
zope.component

We'll give more status updates as we make progress on these.

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-02-27 Thread Stephan Richter
On Monday 27 February 2006 16:56, Paul Winkler wrote:
> At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
> into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
> It's now a separate project at
> http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
> and is stitched into zope as an external.

I would really like to see a proposal for this. We need to stop using sprints 
as excuses for not following the process we decided to use.

Regards,
Stephan
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:24:49PM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Monday 27 February 2006 16:56, Paul Winkler wrote:
> > At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
> > into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
> > It's now a separate project at
> > http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
> > and is stitched into zope as an external.
> 
> I would really like to see a proposal for this. We need to stop using sprints 
> as excuses for not following the process we decided to use.

Haven't we said forever that we want parts of zope 3 to be easily usable
independently of each other?  Is there anything controversial about
making that more convenient?

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-02-28 Thread Janko Hauser


Am 28.02.2006 um 17:28 schrieb Paul Winkler:


On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:24:49PM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote:

On Monday 27 February 2006 16:56, Paul Winkler wrote:

At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
It's now a separate project at
http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
and is stitched into zope as an external.


I would really like to see a proposal for this. We need to stop  
using sprints

as excuses for not following the process we decided to use.


Haven't we said forever that we want parts of zope 3 to be easily  
usable

independently of each other?  Is there anything controversial about
making that more convenient?


I have the feeling, that these questions are not exactly the right  
answer to the concerns Stephan had raised.


I'm honestly sure that the work you are doing is good and that we all  
benefit from this, but proposals are also about communication. And  
communication is also important, especially in these times, where  
there is an ongoing discussion about the future of zope development  
goals.


People who are using just the interfaces of z3 need to adapt to the  
reorganisation. I think twisted are using them. I'm surely in no  
position to judge about the technical implications, but the  
eggification process, for which this work is a preparation surely is  
a candidate for a proposal.


With regards,

__Janko

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-02-28 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 21:24 -0500, Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Monday 27 February 2006 16:56, Paul Winkler wrote:
> > At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
> > into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
> > It's now a separate project at
> > http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
> > and is stitched into zope as an external.
> 
> I would really like to see a proposal for this. We need to stop using sprints 
> as excuses for not following the process we decided to use.

I understand your sentiment.  This is a really minor change.  Really
just a repository rearrangement that doesn't affect python code.  
I don't think a proposal is really needed for this.

We aren't going to move any others for now.  We're doing the 
eggsploration on a branch and will certainly provide a proposal
before doing anything permanent.

Jim

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Notice: zope.interface is now a separate project

2006-02-28 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 11:28, Paul Winkler wrote:
> Haven't we said forever that we want parts of zope 3 to be easily usable
> independently of each other?  Is there anything controversial about
> making that more convenient?

My post is not about the merit of the change, but about neglecting the process 
that *we all* decided to use. I was against always requiring proposals, other 
voted for it. Now that we have it we have to use it. Sprints have a tendency 
to hastily make decisions; I certainly did my part as well. Sprints should be 
either used to brainstorm and write proposals or implement existing ones. We 
cannot just neglect our own process, otherwise its worth nothing.

Regards,
Stephan
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