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2005-07-14 Thread aaron wang

Dear all,

anyone has a website powered with zope3 ? free zope3 site hosting avaliable 
somewhere? I want learn to start a website for myself with zope3/python. but 
I am totoally a newcomer, I have my environment installed for that.
I am reading zope3book ..., but I think I need all your excellent guys to 
help some


Thank you.

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[Zope3-Users] Five 1.1b released!

2005-07-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen

Five 1.1b released!
===

The Five team is happy to release Five 1.1b, a beta release for the
upcoming version 1.1 of Five.  Compared to the 1.0 release, Five 1.1
brings a few more Zope 3 features to the Zope 2 world, such as

* Zope 3-style i18n (including fallback to existing Zope 2 i18n
  machinery),

* Zope 3 to Zope 2 interface bridging (in addition to the already
  supported Zope 2 to Zope 3 interface bridging),

* a couple more standard ZCML directives.

Five has also been changed internally -- the code has been
restructured and the testing framework has been simplified to be
easier to maintain.

For more information please consult the _CHANGES document.

.. _CHANGES: http://codespeak.net/z3/five/CHANGES.html

Five 1.1b can be downloaded here:

http://codespeak.net/z3/five/release/Five-1.1b.tgz

Unless big show stoppers are encountered, Five 1.1 final will be
released during the coming weeks.  If you're already using Five, we
would like to ask you to test this beta release and give us feedback.
If you're not using Five already, take this release as an opportunity
to dive into the Zope 3 world!

Five 1.1 will most likely not be part of any Zope 2.x release. It will
also most likely be the last release to support Zope 2.7 and Zope
X3.0.  Upcoming versions of Five will be geared towards Zope 3.1 and
new-style ExtensionClasses as they appear in Zope 2.8 and higher.


About Five
--

Five is a Zope 2 product that allows you to integrate Zope 3
technologies into Zope 2, today.  It allows you to use the following
parts of the Zope 3 component architecture within Zope 2:

* Zope 3 interfaces

* adapters

* pages (views), including skins, layers and resources

* edit and add forms, based on schemas

* i18n

* ZCML

We've tried to keep the Five experience as close to Zope 3 as
possible, so this means that what you learn while using Five should
also be applicable to Zope 3.

More information about Five can be found on our website, here:

http://codespeak.net/z3/five/

We hope you'll join our mailing list and let hear from yourself!


About the Zope 3 Base
-

Five is part of the *Zope 3 Base* project, which aims to offer an
approachable area for developers of Zope 3 related software. More
about the Zope 3 base and its projects can be found here:

http://codespeak.net/z3/

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Re: [Zope3-Users] Installation Erros

2005-07-14 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 09:49 -0400, Tim Peters wrote:
> [Tim Cook]
> > Installing Zope-3.1.0b1 on Fedora Core 4
> > 
> > gcc (GCC) 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8)
> 
...

> This is the only interesting part.  It might help if you posted again,
> skipping all the compiler warnings (which aren't interesting), and
> gave the full output from `make check`.

Hi All,

I finally had a chance to look at this again.  The results are
in a text file on Zope.org. (it was too large to post to the list)
http://www.zope.org/Members/tcook/check_results 
I'm not sure how soon it will be published.

The problem is that there are several source files that end in .p instead of 
.py.

My first clue was the first lines that said these tests weren't
packages.  I thought someone just forgot the init files.  Nope, they
were there, just missing a y in the filename. 

There are also misnamed .html and .stx files.  Same problem, dropped
last character.

I checked the archive (Zope-3.1.0b1.tgz) and the files are misnamed in
there. 

Obviously someone needs to create a new Linux distribution, eh! 

Cheers,
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Re: [Zope3-Users] Installation Erros

2005-07-14 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Cook]
>>> Installing Zope-3.1.0b1 on Fedora Core 4
>>>
>>> gcc (GCC) 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8)

[and problems with "make check"]

[Tim Cook]
> I finally had a chance to look at this again.  The original results are
> attached in a text file.  The problem is that there are several source
> files that end in .p instead of .py.
>
> My first clue was the first lines that said these tests weren't
> packages.  I thought someone just forgot the init files.  Nope, they
> were there, just missing a y in the filename.
> 
> There are also misnamed .html and .stx files.  Same problem, dropped
> last character.
> 
> I checked the archive (Zope-3.1.0b1.tgz) and the files are misnamed in
> there.
> 
> Obviously someone needs to create a new Linux distribution, eh! 

Nope, because nobody else has reported this.  What are the odds that
you're the only one who has used the tarball?  I don't know, but
they're not high .

I don't know how the tarball was built originally, but I built the
Windows installers _from_ the tarball and had no problems.  I imagine
it was built with GNU tar, and that has a history of creating problems
(due to GNU extensions) for other tar implementations.  Did you use
GNU tar to unpack it?  If not, try that.  Or perhaps you got a corrupt
download (did you check the MD5 against the one listed?).

As a check, I just downloaded the tarball fresh from

http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.1.0b1

to a Linux box, and used its tar to unpack it:

$ tar --version
tar (GNU tar) 1.13.25


$ tar xvzf Zope-3.1.0b1.tgz
... [lots of output] ...

$ find Zope-3.1.0b1 -name "*.py" | wc -l
   2429
$ find Zope-3.1.0b1 -name "*.p"
$

That is, there are no .p files.  You didn't give enough info about the
other badly named files for me to check, but I doubt I'd find any
other damage here either.  I went on to do ./configure, make, and
`make check` without problems:

$ make check
/usr/local/bin/python install.py -q build
/usr/local/bin/python test.py -v
Running UNIT tests at level 1
Running UNIT tests from /home/tim/Zope-3.1.0b1/build/lib.linux-i686-2.3
...
[lots of dots]
Ran 6831 tests in 236.672s

OK
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Re: [Zope3-Users] Installation Erros

2005-07-14 Thread Tim Cook
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 17:34 -0400, Tim Peters wrote:

> > Obviously someone needs to create a new Linux distribution, eh! 
> 
> Nope, because nobody else has reported this.  What are the odds that
> you're the only one who has used the tarball?  I don't know, but
> they're not high .

I must admit this crossed my mind.  I really jumped to a huge conclusion
there.

I had checked the md5sum just to be sure it wasn't a bad download.

The problem REALLY wasMidnight Commander.
I have used mc for many years and never seen this before.  But by using
tar on the commandline the file extracted fine and I now a bright shiny
instance of Zope3 running.  Still had the gcc4 warnings but no biggie
there.

Sorry for the hassle and certainly for the big leap to tarball
judgement.

Cheers,
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Re: [Zope3-Users] Installation Erros

2005-07-14 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Cook, finds his 3.1.0b1 problem]
> ...
> The problem REALLY wasMidnight Commander.
> I have used mc for many years and never seen this before.  But by using
> tar on the commandline the file extracted fine and I now a bright shiny
> instance of Zope3 running.

I hope someone pursues it anyway.  Various Zope-ish distributions hit
tar problems several times per year, and I don't know for a fact that
it's necessary for "us" to use a specific tar program in such a way
that other tar programs can't deal with the tarballs.  Anyone up to
date on their tar lore (I'm sure not)?

> Still had the gcc4 warnings but no biggie there.

Repairing that is adding a pile of tedious casting to C code mostly
under my care these days.  Since I don't have gcc4 and don't have
spare time to install it just for this, it would be nice if someone
with gcc4 submitted a patch.  It should be easy (if dull) -- adding
(char *) casts to the arguments gcc4 is complaining about.

> Sorry for the hassle and certainly for the big leap to tarball
> judgement.

Hey, from your POV the tarball _was_ broken.
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[Zope3-Users] Trying again...

2005-07-14 Thread Chris Withers

Chris Withers wrote:


Anyway, as a newbie, I got some questions:

- What docs should I read first?


Is there no authoritative answer to this question?


- How do I get Zope 3 up and running on Windows, and what's the "best"
version for me to try?


And I'd REALLY like the answer to this one. I don't want to work on some 
deadend backwards compatability only branch, and I have vague memories 
of 3.0 being in that situaion :-S Should I go for 3.1 or the trunk or what?



- Where can I find good reference docs? What books should I buy?


Okay, I've caught up on my mail an have a list of these now, time to 
hurt the credit card :-)


cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope3-Users] Zope3 Product directory Problem

2005-07-14 Thread Chris Withers

And I'm pretty sure that Zope 3 needs Python 2.4 ;-)

Chris

Adam Groszer wrote:

Hello Shariq,

Plone is a product for Zope 2.xx.

Monday, July 11, 2005, 1:07:12 PM, you wrote:

ss>   
ss> Hi,

ss>   I have download Zope3 by using Python 2.3 but i didn't find
ss> any Product directory where I can install Plone.
ss> How to install Plone.
ss> Kindly help me,
ss> Thanks in advance
ss> Shariq

br,

Adam

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Re: [Zope3-Users] Trying again...

2005-07-14 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello Chris,

I'm a newbie too... but I hope I can help you.

Thursday, July 14, 2005, 7:23:52 PM, you wrote:

CW> Chris Withers wrote:
>> 
>> Anyway, as a newbie, I got some questions:
>> 
>> - What docs should I read first?

I think the book of Philipp is a littlebit better for newcomers. After
that you can read Stephan's which then enhances you skills further.
You know that you can download it at
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage/Zope3Book
After that you can dig the source to become an expert :-)

CW> Is there no authoritative answer to this question?

>> - How do I get Zope 3 up and running on Windows, and what's the "best"
>> version for me to try?

CW> And I'd REALLY like the answer to this one. I don't want to work on some
CW> deadend backwards compatability only branch, and I have vague memories
CW> of 3.0 being in that situaion :-S Should I go for 3.1 or the trunk or what?

As first python 2.3(.5) is just enough for Zope3, even the trunk is happy
with it.
If you want to have fun with the trunk on windows you will have to
have some C compiler at hand. For activepython MSVC6 is just fine.
Others I haven't tried.

The other choices are then the versions you can download as installer.
I can't give you an advice for that, choose whichever you like.
All two books are written for the X3.0 release, but I think most of the
examples will work even with the trunk.
I'm using with the trunk, because:
- it's working
- it is getting new features all the time which I want to try&use.

>> - Where can I find good reference docs? What books should I buy?

CW> Okay, I've caught up on my mail an have a list of these now, time to
CW> hurt the credit card :-)

CW> cheers,

CW> Chris



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