Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)
Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:23:17AM +0100, Max M wrote: > >> Canonical releases of compatible package collections is a *must*. >> Splitting it all up in small chunks that are out of sync would be a >> disaster. >> > > but we already have that situation with current Products. > > How many sites are still running Zope 2.7 and Plone 2.0 > because there's one product they depend on that doesn't > work in 2.8 or 2.9? > That's Plone's problem, not Zope's. S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source! ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)
Jeff Shell wrote: > - Zope 3 CA: The Zope Component Architecture. Core services. Would > include zope.publisher and most other current top level zope.* things. > Usable as a library, as a publisher for other environments, perhaps as a > simple standalone server. Easy to deploy against WSGI, Paste.deploy, > whatever. > > - Zope 3 AS: The Zope 3 Application Server. A Zope 3 CA stack using the > ZODB, ILocation, and most of the zope.app services but without any content > objects. Perhaps only an application server configuration skin (process > management) but no ZMI. Maybe have the current configuration installable as > an option. > > - Zope Suite (or Zope Web or Zope DE): This is the full "application server" > perhaps Jim is envisioning. A comprehensive web based user interface, based > on features (and implementations) of both Zope 2 and Zope 3 application > servers and offerings. > Zope 3 CA, Zope 3 AS: good. Zope Suite: moderately bad. Zope 3 ECM (currently known as Z3ECM): good ;) Zed/The Component Architecture Formerlyknown as Zope/GoldEgg/whatever that's not called Zope something: YUCK! (Who's Zed? Zed's dead, baby!) S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source! ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] zope3 debian/testing ZopeXMLConfigurationError
Martin Künstner wrote: >hello list, > >I'm new to zope3 and want to install it on a debian/testing box. >when i want to start the sandbox instanz >with the following command > >mawensi:/home/martin# /var/lib/zope3/instance/sandbox/bin/runzope > >i get this error mesage: >[...] > >I've tried to upgrade twisted >but I think i have all the required packages installed. >what went wrong ? > > You should probably report this to the Debian Zope packaging team. S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source! ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: The Zope Software Certification Program and Common Repository Proposal
Stephan Richter wrote: >(2) I fear that the ZSCP would be talked to death and stay dead. My experience >in the Open Source world has shown that if something does not have >practicality, it dies unless someone is getting paid. I am certainly not >getting paid for this. By biggest interest here is to bring the >sub-communities together and define communication means on the code level. > > I don't think it will stay dead, because it is really exciting :) S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source! ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: The Zope Software Certification Program and Common Repository Proposal
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >Andrew Milton wrote: > > >>+---[ Stephan Richter ]-- >>| Hello everyone, >>| >>| With the development of Zope 3, the Zope developers committed to a new >>| development process and higher software quality guidelines. With the >>adoption >>| of Zope 3 technologies in the wider Zope community, we should also start >>| using the process for third party package development. >>| >>| I have spent the last two weeks working on a proposal that defines a Zope >>| Software Certification Program (ZSCP) and a Common Repository that >>implements >>| this process. The proposal is attached to this mail. I welcome any comments >>| about it! >> >>So in order to even get your Open Source package LISTED, you have to sign >>over >>the rights of your code to Zope Corp (currently, Zope Foundation later), and >>then >>check it into the svn respository. >> >>Is this is correct? >> >> > >No. The common repository under the wings of ZC/ZF is just *a* >repository that implements the ZSCP. There can be others, for example >the Plone repository, the collective repository (perhaps), etc. > >I had earlier suggested to Stephan that we should keep the common >repository separate from ZSCP and there out of this proposal. IMO there >should be a separate proposal for the common repository. I guess he >didn't agree. > >I think both the ZSCP and the common repository (in the context of the >ZF) are a great idea. We should try to have as much stuff as possible in >the common repository, but we shouldn't make the process dependent on it. > >I'm therefore still suggesting to divide up the proposal. > > +1 I specially like the ZSCP proposal. It is very similar to a project we are involved in, the EDOS project (www.edos-project.org). I strongly believe that it is a perfect match for the whole idea of having a component architecture in the first place. I also like the common repository idea, if it can provide the same level of QA functions we currently have at nuxeo (trac.nuxeo.org + buildbot.nuxeo.org), though I fear that Trac can't scale well to a project spanning several important subprojects (here scaling means providing both global views and by-project views of what's going on). However, I believe like you Philipp, that both initiatives should be decoupled. S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source! ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Please Guido, pick me, pick me!
Wade Leftwich wrote: > Guido van Rossum is looking for a web app framework. > > http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=34&blogId=1 > > Zope is conspicuous by its absence from the discussion. Hardly a > mention, and no advocacy at all. Is Zope just too heavyweight for the > project he has in mind? Or what? I don't think the point is trying to convince guido to use Zope for his pet project, the point is global advocacy: - Guido's word is considered gospel by many people (in that occurrence, I must confess that I have been profoundly disappointed by his attitude - his utter and a priori rejection of XML for a template language, that will be used 95% for the time to produce (X)HTML and the 5% remaining other variant of XML, with all that it implies in terms of validation, etc. is plainly stupid). - Like you noticed, Zope quasi-absence from the discussion is suspicious. Lennart did a reply on his blog (http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2006_02_01_guido-webframeworks). Anyway, I'm saddened by both the quasi-absence of the Zope community in this debate, and also the badmouthing of Zope (even sometimes, the hatred) by some Python developpers taking part in the discussion. There are, however, some constructive remarks like Ian Bicking's: http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2006_02_01_guido-webframeworks?post_id=if-mohammed-won-t-come S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source! ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
