Re: [6tisch] terminology draft

2015-11-10 Thread Maria Rita PALATTELLA
Thanks Randy, (and sorry for that). Point taken. It will be fixed next time. Regards, Maria Rita From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Turner, Randy Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 5:50 PM To: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] terminology draft Hi All, Next time we update

Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process

2015-11-10 Thread Robert Cragie
Alper - I completely agree with what you say and did note earlier that, given the 7 independent implementations for ZigBee IP, it clearly isn't a serious obstacle. However, it is useful to understand potential issues with any given solution; any solution will have certain issues which have to be ad

Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process

2015-11-10 Thread Robert Cragie
Hi Tero, Unfortunately, 802.15.9 is not generally available so it is difficult for those who don't attend IEEE 802 meetings to fully understand the solution. Do you know when it might be available under the Get IEEE program? Robert On 9 November 2015 at 01:06, Tero Kivinen wrote: > Robert Crag

Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process

2015-11-10 Thread yoshihiro.ohba
Actually LLCs for PANA in 802.15.9 section D.2 can be link-layer keys that are independent of pair-wise key established between JN and JCE. In this case, we might need a key confirmation protocol (such as MLE 3-way handshake ) used as an 802.15.9 KMP between JN and JA. Yoshihiro Ohba -

Re: [6tisch] Comments on the 6top-sublayer and 6top-sf0 drafts

2015-11-10 Thread Qin Wang
Hi Maria Rita and all, For support RPL structure of parent & children, I agree to think upstream and downstream resource reservation separately. But, I'm not sure if we should use 3-phase protocol for upstream resource reservation, because that means 1/3 communication cost will be added for one

Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process

2015-11-10 Thread Jonathan Hui
I agree with Robert that PANA needs to be viewed as a side stack. It involves more than just restricted forwarding rules and hooks for the upper layers. It also involves resource isolation at the lower layers to help ensure that unauthorized traffic cannot interfere with authorized traffic. Logic

Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process

2015-11-10 Thread Tero Kivinen
Robert Cragie writes: > Unfortunately, 802.15.9 is not generally available so it is > difficult for those who don't attend IEEE 802 meetings to fully > understand the solution. Do you know when it might be available > under the Get IEEE program? IEEE 802.15.9 is now in the sponsor ballot, meaning

Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process

2015-11-10 Thread rturner amalfisystems.com
Hi Guys,I think the LLC work going on in (what will probably be) 802.15.12 will allow multiple clients of the 802.15.4 MAC/PHY, including PANA.At the moment, vendors have coded proprietary forms of "side stacks"...for PANA and other protocols.  I'm hoping there's a cleaner way to reuse the 802.15

Re: [6tisch] EAP clarifications (was Re: Directions on the join process)

2015-11-10 Thread Rafa Marin Lopez
Hi Malisa: (Changing the subject to "EAP clarifications" since this thread is about EAP only) > El 5 nov 2015, a las 16:19, Malisa Vucinic escribió: > > >> On 05 Nov 2015, at 14:01, Rafa Marin Lopez wrote: >> >> What I meant is that for security reasons we will have to refresh the keying >