Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread W B Hacker
Richard Miller wrote: It's easy to write good code that will take advantage of arbitrarily many processors to run faster / smoother, if you have a proper language for the task. ... and if you can find a way around Amdahl's law (qv). http://www.cis.temple.edu/~shi/docs/amdahl/amdahl.html

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread hiro
There is a vast range of applications that cannot be managed in real time using existing single-core technology. I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion, but what is real time?

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Oct 15 06:55:24 EDT 2009, s...@nipl.net wrote: task. With respect to Ken, Bill Gates said something along the lines of who would need more than 640K?. on the other hand, there were lots of people using computers with 4mb of memory when bill gates said this. it was quite easy to see how

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Oct 15 08:01:29 EDT 2009, w...@conducive.org wrote: Richard Miller wrote: It's easy to write good code that will take advantage of arbitrarily many processors to run faster / smoother, if you have a proper language for the task. ... and if you can find a way around Amdahl's law

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Oct 15 09:41:29 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: in fact, i believe i used an apple ][ around that time that had ~744k. Are you sure that was an apple II? When I bought mine I remember wrestling with the decision over whether to get the standard 48k of RAM or upgrade to the full

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread Richard Miller
in fact, i believe i used an apple ][ around that time that had ~744k. Are you sure that was an apple II? When I bought mine I remember wrestling with the decision over whether to get the standard 48k of RAM or upgrade to the full 64k. This was long before the IBM PC.

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:11 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: There is a vast range of applications that cannot be managed in real time using existing single-core technology. I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion, but what is real time? Real time just means fast enough to work

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:52 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Thu Oct 15 09:41:29 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: in fact, i believe i used an apple ][ around that time that had ~744k. Are you sure that was an apple II? When I bought mine I remember wrestling

Re: [9fans] Venti over DHT

2009-10-15 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Well, since Russ is silent (and since this is not the first time this question has come up: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/05/401) here's a reliable link for anybody who might still be interested: http://web.archive.org/web/20060308015519/http://project-iris.net/isw-2003/papers/sit.pdf

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread Tim Newsham
it sounds like the kernel (L4-like, supposedly tuned to the specific hardware) and the monitor (userland, portable) are shared, from the paper. I'm confused what you mean by shared. ugh, I completely botched that.. I meant replicated not shared. -eric Tim Newsham

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread Christopher Nielsen
I think this is an interesting approach. There are several interesting ideas being pursued here. The focus of the discussion has been on the multikernel approach, which I think has merit. Something that has not been discussed here is the wide use of DSLs for systems programming, and using

Re: [9fans] berkeley papers

2009-10-15 Thread erik quanstrom
i am pretty sure you would find almost all the publications by googling for the title of each. that would require knowing the titles for each. - erik

Re: [9fans] berkeley papers

2009-10-15 Thread Abhishek Kulkarni
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i'd be happy to read δ more and be ε less ignorant (i suppose that doesn't help with the large H), but it seems that http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ is missing in action.  does anyone have more precise references so

Re: [9fans] berkeley papers

2009-10-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
The RAMP stuff is still very active. http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ works from my phone. You an also check with the other partners (Derrick Chiou at University of Texas). However, RAMP is primarily architecture focused. There actually was an Inferno port to the ramp405 board.

Re: [9fans] berkeley papers

2009-10-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Also try: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=enq=RAMP+berkeley Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Abhishek Kulkarni abbyzc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i'd be happy to read δ more and be ε less ignorant

Re: [9fans] Venti over DHT

2009-10-15 Thread ron minnich
Now I remember this paper. Was the code ever released anywhere? ron

Re: [9fans] Venti over DHT

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Cox
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Now I remember this paper. Was the code ever released anywhere? There was no real code to speak of. It was a draft of a draft. I did some calculations of block-level commonality using a few trivial programs that hashed each