Re: [9fans] dup(3)

2009-10-19 Thread hugo rivera
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Re: [9fans] utf-8 text files from httpd

2009-10-19 Thread Akshat Kumar
new/sendfd.c:243 c old/sendfd.c:243 --- /* new/sendfd.c:246 c old/sendfd.c:246 --- */ (context: text/plain - text/plain; charset=utf-8) Now my text files can be read in the proper encoding by default, and are not interpreted by browsers (as well as certain applications) to be whack ASCII.

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread erik quanstrom
At the hardware level we do have message passing between a processor and the memory controller -- this is exactly the same as talking to a shared server and has the same issues of scaling etc. If you have very few clients, a single shared server is indeed a cost effective solution. just to

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread matt
The misinterpretation of Moore's Law is to blame here, of course: Moore is a smart guy and he was talking about transistor density, but pop culture made is sound like he was talking speed up. For some time the two were in lock-step. Not anymore. I ran the numbers the other day based on

Re: [9fans] ape/psh (still) can't exec in 9vx

2009-10-19 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Dmitry Golubovsky golubov...@gmail.com wrote: /bin/sh XXX: cannot execute - Access denied XXX is any program I am trying to run from ape/psh. Has anyone else run into this recently? it all works for me. ron

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread Sam Watkins
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:18:47PM -0600, Latchesar Ionkov wrote: How do you plan to feed data to these 31 thousand processors so they can be fully utilized? Have you done the calculations and checked what memory bandwidth would you need for that? I would use a pipelining + divide-and-conquer

Re: [9fans] ape/psh can't exec in 9vx

2009-10-19 Thread Russ Cox
/bin/sh: uname: cannot execute - Access denied I believe that if you build a new binary from the sources instead of using the pre-compiled binary, this bug is fixed. The binaries are lagging behind the actual source code. Russ

[9fans] rides

2009-10-19 Thread ron minnich
confusion reigns. People I thought I was giving a ride to are coming in at different times. So, let's try again. I have one rider: maht. I can take two more. Roger? Anyway I get in 835PM on the 20th, I can take 2 people besides maht, so let me know. ron

Re: [9fans] ape/psh (still) can't exec in 9vx

2009-10-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
% ape/psh $ uname /bin/sh: uname: cannot execute - Access denied % cd /sys/src/ape % mk install mk lib.install mk cmd.install mk 9src.install [...] cp 8.tar /386/bin/ape/tar % ape/psh $ uname Plan9 $

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I would use a pipelining + divide-and-conquer approach, with some RAM on chip. Units would be smaller than a 6502, more like an adder. you mean like the Thinking Machines CM-1 and CM-2? it's not like it hasn't been done before :)

Re: [9fans] drawterm tearing

2009-10-19 Thread erik quanstrom
what changed recently? not drawterm. no. not drawterm. not the video card. i've recently upgraded x. ; ls -l `{which drawterm} -rwxr-xr-x 1 quanstro users 1226424 Mar 12 2009 /home/quanstro/bin/amd64/drawterm but that may be a red herring, see below can you tell us more

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Sam Watkins s...@nipl.net wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:18:47PM -0600, Latchesar Ionkov wrote: How do you plan to feed data to these 31 thousand processors so they can be fully utilized? Have you done the calculations and checked what memory bandwidth would

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread Sam Watkins
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 07:45:40PM +0100, Eris Discordia wrote: Another embarrassingly parallel problem, as Sam Watkins pointed out, arises in digital audio processing. The pipelining + divide-and-conquer method which I would use for parallel systems is much like a series of production lines

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread Sam Watkins
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 01:12:58AM +, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: I would appreciate if the folks who were in the room correct me, but if I'm not mistaken Ken was alluding to some FPGA work/ideas that he had done and my interpretation of his comments was that if we *really* want to make things

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread erik quanstrom
Details of the calculation: 7200 seconds * 30fps * 12*16 (50*50 pixel chunks) * 50 elementary arithmetic/logical operations in a pipeline (unrolled). 7200*30*12*16*50 = 20 trillion (20,000,000,000,000) processing units. This is only a very rough estimate and does not consider all the

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread erik quanstrom
I ran the numbers the other day based on sped doubles every 2 years, a 60Mhz Pentium would be running 16Ghz by now I think it was the 1ghz that should be 35ghz you motivated me to find my copy of _high speed semiconductor devices_, s.m. sze, ed., 1990. there might be one our two little

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread Russ Cox
My point is, one can design systems to solve practical problems that use almost arbitrarily large numbers of processing units running in parallel. design != build russ

Re: [9fans] ape/psh (still) can't exec in 9vx

2009-10-19 Thread Dmitry Golubovsky
On Oct 19, 11:50 am, mirtchov...@gmail.com (andrey mirtchovski) wrote: % ape/psh $ uname /bin/sh: uname: cannot execute - Access denied % cd /sys/src/ape % mk install mk lib.install mk cmd.install mk 9src.install [...] cp 8.tar /386/bin/ape/tar % ape/psh $ uname Plan9 $ OK, maybe I

Re: [9fans] drawterm tearing

2009-10-19 Thread erik quanstrom
great. now that you have a reproducible test case, try this: in drawterm/gui-x11/x11.c:/^xdraw it says /* * drawterm was distributed for years with * return 0; right here. * maybe we should give up on all this? */ if((dxm = dst-X)

Re: [9fans] ape/psh can't exec in 9vx

2009-10-19 Thread Dmitry Golubovsky
On Oct 19, 11:50 am, r...@swtch.com (Russ Cox) wrote: /bin/sh: uname: cannot execute - Access denied I believe that if you build a new binary from the sources instead of using the pre-compiled binary, this bug is fixed. The binaries are lagging behind the actual source code. Russ OK,

Re: [9fans] utf-8 text files from httpd

2009-10-19 Thread lucio
2009/10/19 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: why try that hard?  just call it utf-8.  i can't think of any browsers that would have a problem with that today. the instance of the problem that i had was when adding an attachment to a upas mail. file -m is useful when the attachment

Re: [9fans] rides

2009-10-19 Thread Latchesar Ionkov
I will arrive at 1pm on Wednesday and will have a car. Let me know if you would like to wait until then. Lucho On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Anthony Sorace ano...@gmail.com wrote: i arrive around 9am on wednesday. anyone have a ride arranged and have an extra seat?

Re: [9fans] Parallelism is over a barrel(fish)?

2009-10-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
From last week's ACM Technews ... Why Desktop Multiprocessing Has Speed Limits Computerworld (10/05/09) Vol. 43, No. 30, P. 24; Wood, Lamont Despite the mainstreaming of multicore processors for desktops, not every desktop application can be rewritten for multicore frameworks, which means some

Re: [9fans] Parallelism is over a barrel(fish)?

2009-10-19 Thread W B Hacker
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: From last week's ACM Technews ... Why Desktop Multiprocessing Has Speed Limits Computerworld (10/05/09) Vol. 43, No. 30, P. 24; Wood, Lamont Despite the mainstreaming of multicore processors for desktops, not every desktop application can be rewritten

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread matt
erik quanstrom wrote: you motivated me to find my copy of _high speed semiconductor devices_, s.m. sze, ed., 1990. which motivated me to dig out the post I made elsewhere : Moore's law doesn't say anything about speed or power. It says manufacturing costs will lower from technological

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread matt
Eris Discordia wrote: Moore's law doesn't say anything about speed or power. But why'd you assume people in the wrong (w.r.t. their understanding of Moore's law) would measure speed in gigahertz rather than MIPS or FLOPS? because that's what the discussion I was having was about

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread erik quanstrom
you motivated me to find my copy of _high speed semiconductor devices_, s.m. sze, ed., 1990. which motivated me to dig out the post I made elsewhere : Moore's law doesn't say anything about speed or power. It says manufacturing costs will lower from technological improvements such

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-19 Thread matt
this is quite an astounding thread. you brought up clock speed doubling and now refute yourself. i just noted that 48ghz is not possible with silicon non-quantium effect tech. - erik I think I've been misunderstood, I wasn't asserting the clock speed increase in the first place, I was