Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread Wes Kussmaul
If you gathered up a bunch of old, proven data representation methods, packaged it as XML 2.0, formed an XML 2.0 consortium and put it out there energetically with bullet points and with a straight face, people would buy it. No, listen, it's true, they would. The straight face part is import

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> The suggestion has come up 8000 times in as many forums, to no avail. > > Supposedly, the excess verbosity makes it more readable/less error-prone. to paraphrase, a sufficient amount of readable data is as good as unreadable data. - erik

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread LiteStar numnums
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > On Jun 30, 2010, at 2:43 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > as long as you don't care about the (observed) 100:1 ratio of XML glop > to data in, e.g., the Python XMLRPC stuff, it's great. Yep, I observed > that ratio when Xen made the cut to XML-

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread Corey Thomasson
On 30 June 2010 15:54, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > A friend on AIM who I showed this quote to suggested XML should drop named > close tags as a solution: stuff > "C and Ratfor programmers find BEGIN and END bulky compared to { and }." - > bwk > The suggestion has come up 8000 times in as many foru

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
On Jun 30, 2010, at 2:43 PM, ron minnich wrote: as long as you don't care about the (observed) 100:1 ratio of XML glop to data in, e.g., the Python XMLRPC stuff, it's great. Yep, I observed that ratio when Xen made the cut to XML-RPC: 3000 bytes of RPC to send 30 bytes of data. It's impressive: g

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread LiteStar numnums
> To add to the madness you can write XML files that translate XML files to > other files (possibly other XML files) in an XML defined language called > XSLT. XSLT is a bit like writing in a functional programming language with > the worst syntax possible :-). > > The reason I say "worst syntax po

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > Eventually you'll find that the entire world became a nail for the XML > hammer and that things like SOAP, XML-RPC, are just not very good due to the > fact that sending XML documents on a wire for simple RPC calls is grossly > inefficien

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:47 AM, hugo rivera wrote: > Now that I had a closer look to xml files, I think I get the main idea. > From my point of view, xml doesn't seem so bad after all (please, > please, this is just an uninformed opinion) but perhaps in the future > I'll be able to see its defec

Re: [9fans] offered without comment or judgement

2010-06-30 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
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Re: [9fans] offered without comment or judgement

2010-06-30 Thread Wes Kussmaul
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Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread hugo rivera
Now that I had a closer look to xml files, I think I get the main idea. >From my point of view, xml doesn't seem so bad after all (please, please, this is just an uninformed opinion) but perhaps in the future I'll be able to see its defects. -- Hugo

Re: [9fans] megamouse?

2010-06-30 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > On Jun 29, 2010, at 7:11 PM, John Floren wrote: > >> Hey, there's a way to end the mouse/keyboard switching argument once >> and for all! With 18 buttons, you can just make the mouse a chording >> keyboard as well and never move your hand

[9fans] Casella Digital Media

2010-06-30 Thread Bruce Ellis
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[9fans] Casella Digital Media

2010-06-30 Thread Bruce Ellis
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Re: [9fans] offered without comment or judgement

2010-06-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> I certainly have several nonsensical words / names for my cats. None > of them contain numbers or punctuation or anything associated with a > strong passphrase. The longest of these is probably about 12 > characters. And a system that can try a billion RSA keys per second is > going to quickly ex

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-30 Thread Lucio De Re
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:54:25PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > the go toolchain is replete with go-specific things, > and produces incompatible .8 files (and perhaps for other architectures), > because of the way certain changes were made. > I've had the Go toolchain successfully compile wo

Re: [9fans] megamouse?

2010-06-30 Thread Jasse Jansson
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Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-30 Thread Lucio De Re
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 04:00:09PM -0700, Russ Cox wrote: > > i think people get too hung up on trying to make > the port back perfect. just make it work. > then make it better. > But it's the toolchain I'm after. I like Go a lot, but I feel that a viable toolchain that produces ELF files for L