Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-26 Thread Mathieu Lonjaret
Hello, another one which might be a FAQ: Do you require applicants to be from the USA, or are you ok with ppl from the old continent (or anywhere else for that matter) ? Cheers, Mathieu --- Begin Message --- hi guys, as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 as the

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:02:04AM +0200, Mathieu Lonjaret wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Will anyone here be attending fOSSa? >> (http://fossa2010.inrialpes.fr/) >> I'm afraid it doesn't look very interesting from a technical pov... > > Yes... Quote: > >        "t

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread Charles Forsyth
>http://reflex.gforge.inria.fr/ that's certainly remarkable.

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
> The EU should setup a CAP program for the software industry that paid > programmers not to program. They do. They pay engineers to write papers, not software. That's their way to put a limit on the harm done.

Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition

2010-10-26 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > I put some historic papers and distribution images (copyright permitting) on > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/steve/historic, and I believe uriel > has more on http://www.cat-v.org All the historical papers I have collected over t

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Oct 26 05:51:38 EDT 2010, fors...@terzarima.net wrote: > >http://reflex.gforge.inria.fr/ > > that's certainly remarkable. hoisted by one's own poulard. - erik

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Oct 25 22:03:53 EDT 2010, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > hm... wouldnt it just crash if mh->mount is nil? > perhaps you are reading the diff backwards? it used to crash when mh->mount was nil. leading to a lock loop. i added the test to see that mh->mount != nil after the rlock on mh->loc

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 08:44:37AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Oct 25 22:03:53 EDT 2010, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > > > hm... wouldnt it just crash if mh->mount is nil? > > > > perhaps you are reading the diff backwards? it used to > crash when mh->mount was nil. leading to a lock

[9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-26 Thread Tristan Plumb
i've been working on an an audio driver for the kirkwood for a while now, indeed it's been working well for a while now. at this point i'm mostly struggling to figure out the mixer/controls/codec filesystem interface. if any of this is incorrect, please correct me. the soundblaster driver has aud

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread Russ Cox
> sounds familiar.  this patch needs to be applied to the kernel: Like Lucio and Cinap, I am skeptical that this is the fix. It's a real bug and a correct fix, as we've discussed before, but if the kernel loses this race I believe it will crash dereferencing nil. Lucio showed a kernel that was ve

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-26 Thread Russ Cox
Changing a device's file format in a backwards-incompatible way is not something to be done lightly. In addition to changing all drivers you'd have to change every user program that reads from or writes to them, even ones that you don't know exist. Russ

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> I was hoping you'd follow up on that, I needed a seed message and my > mailbox has recently overflowed :-( > > I'm curious what you call "crash" in this case and I think Cinap is too. > Basically, exactly what happens in the situation when a nil pointer is > dereferenced in the kernel? How does

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> It's a real bug and a correct fix, as we've discussed before, > but if the kernel loses this race I believe it will crash dereferencing nil. > Lucio showed a kernel that was very much still running. you are correct. i was confused. the bug reported looks like a missing waserror(). - erik

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Oct 26 10:32:15 EDT 2010, r...@swtch.com wrote: > Changing a device's file format in a backwards-incompatible way > is not something to be done lightly. In addition to changing all > drivers you'd have to change every user program that reads from > or writes to them, even ones that you don'

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > >http://reflex.gforge.inria.fr/ > > that's certainly remarkable. > > I think my wrists seized up just thinking about programming in XML.

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread ron minnich
Design : Philippe Poulard Development : Philippe Poulard Documentation : Philippe Poulard Tests : Philippe Poulard Web site : Philippe Poulard Logo : Philippe Poulard Packaging : Philippe Poulard Manager : Philippe Poulard So. Who are those guys? ron

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread David Leimbach
2010/10/26 ron minnich > Design : Philippe Poulard > Development : Philippe Poulard > Documentation : Philippe Poulard > Tests : Philippe Poulard > Web site : Philippe Poulard > Logo : Philippe Poulard > Packaging : Philippe Poulard > Manager : Philippe Poulard > > > So. Who are those guys? > > P

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 07:28:57AM -0700, Russ Cox wrote: > > Like Lucio and Cinap, I am skeptical that this is the fix. > > It's a real bug and a correct fix, as we've discussed before, > but if the kernel loses this race I believe it will crash dereferencing nil. > Lucio showed a kernel that wa

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> I can re-create the problem if anybody wants me to help diagnose it. please do. - erik

[9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread Jeff Sickel
At the latest IWP9 I caught wind of interest in getting a JTAG file system added into Plan 9. There were more details than just the file system and USB connectivity that are still a little foggy. At first I didn't show to much enthusiasm but things have changed in a few short weeks! What's th

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Gorka was working on it. The hope is that it would help debug usb/bt device issues on kw. Can ice cream survive an ORD-MAD trip? -Skip On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Jeff Sickel wrote: > At the latest IWP9 I caught wind of interest in getting a JTAG file system > added into Plan 9.  There

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread Bruce Ellis
Yes please.CDM-64 has a jtag everywere you look. I recall that a pitcher of Blue Moon at the Fun House makes Gorka happy. brucee On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Gorka was working on it.  The hope is that it would help debug usb/bt > device issues on kw. > > Can ice cr

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread Steve Simon
I am intrigued, what facalities would jtag software provide on plan9, is the idea a virtual filesystem which would communicate with a fairly dumb jtag interface connected to (say) a PC's printer parallel port, or may there is some standardised USB interface? I jse jtag probes from time to time but

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread EBo
I've used JTAG to debug and program a couple of embedded systems. I even had an automated regression test suite that tested some AVR hardware using gdb running on Gentoo talking to an JTAG. Freaky but fun. If I recall correctly many chips will allow you to see and twiddle internal registers

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread EBo
I just ran into the following FAQ and info that might be of help: a JTAG FAQ: http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/jtag_faq_org.html interesting detail: TAG specification is in Std IEEE 1149.1 (costs about $100). I don't have it. Please search at internet for some JTAG related documents. This is g

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 08:51:23AM -0700, David Leimbach wrote: > 2010/10/26 ron minnich > > > Design : Philippe Poulard > > Development : Philippe Poulard > > Documentation : Philippe Poulard > > Tests : Philippe Poulard > > Web site : Philippe Poulard > > Logo : Philippe Poulard > > Packaging :

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread hiro
Great way to troll your professors. I'm so jealous...

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread hiro
He's been into this stuff for 9 years. And my biggest hero now. My closing words for today, from a related site: "There is nothing so practical as a good theory" -- http://www.extrememarkup.org/

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Oct 26 16:51:48 EDT 2010, 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: > He's been into this stuff for 9 years. And my biggest hero now. > My closing words for today, from a related site: > > "There is nothing so practical as a good theory" > -- http://www.extrememarkup.org/ > while i have no problem wit

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:28 PM, EBo wrote: > > I just ran into the following FAQ and info that might be of help: > > a JTAG FAQ: http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/jtag_faq_org.html > > interesting detail: > > TAG specification is in Std IEEE 1149.1 (costs about $100). I don't > have it. Please sea

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-10-26 Thread EBo
Gorka, This all sounds good. I wish you luck... EBo -- The way I think this works: USB-MPSSE-JTAG-uP The USB part is a simple protocol which I already have figured out and is in the driver's .h. http://yosemitefoothills.com/Electronics/FTDI_Chip_Commands.html I am now looking into the

[9fans] 5c ulong/vlong -> float64 bug

2010-10-26 Thread Russ Cox
For those people using 5c, I found a bug recently in the conversion of ulong to float64. The bug is that it's not implemented at all; instead 5c uses the long to float64 code, so converting 0x8000 produces -2^31 not 2^31. This matters in _v2d, which uses it to convert vlong to float64. If the

Re: [9fans] 5c ulong/vlong -> float64 bug

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Oct 26 22:13:45 EDT 2010, r...@swtch.com wrote: > For those people using 5c, I found a bug recently in the > conversion of ulong to float64. The bug is that it's not > implemented at all; instead 5c uses the long to float64 code, > so converting 0x8000 produces -2^31 not 2^31. > This ma

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread lucio
>> I can re-create the problem if anybody wants me to help diagnose it. > > please do. > Looks like I don't need to: I left the machines running last night and I note two more instances this morning, using the patched kernel. So the problem is much less common now, but still present. That is po

[9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-26 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
Hi folks, I just committed a very simple implementation of asynchronous TClunk to inferno-npe. The implementation will only defer sending clunks when MCACHE is specified on the mount (via the new -j option to Inferno's mount, analogous to Plan 9's mount -C) and when the file is not marked ORCLOSE.

Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> Looks like I don't need to: I left the machines running last night and > I note two more instances this morning, using the patched kernel. So > the problem is much less common now, but still present. That is > positively weird. > > I thought I posted a request for some help debugging the kerne

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> I just committed a very simple implementation of asynchronous TClunk to > inferno-npe. The implementation will only defer sending clunks when MCACHE > is specified on the mount (via the new -j option to Inferno's mount, > analogous to Plan 9's mount -C) and when the file is not marked ORCLOSE. Th

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2010-10-26 Thread hernando hernandez flores
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2010-10-26 Thread hernando hernandez flores
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Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-10-26 Thread Bruce Ellis
more! please. your data fiend, brucee On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > http://www.arl-external.com/iwp9-2010/ > > I've got several talks encoding and uploading now. > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: >> I'm back from travels and have st

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-26 Thread Bruce Ellis
I explained to VS that Research Inferno has been doing it for 10 years. A much simpler approach. Solves your problems. Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. brucee On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:23 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I just committed a very simple implementation of asynchro