Re: [9fans] Octopus viewer?

2012-05-11 Thread Nemo
for portability. -- iphone kbd. excuse typos :) On May 11, 2012, at 3:50 AM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Don't worry about that. It was your several years ago works, and you are doing another work now. I'll walking around it for a more, because

Re: [9fans] Octopus viewer?

2012-05-11 Thread Charles Forsyth
also you get to write in a concurrent language that looks nice. Inferno's hosting ability matters more, though, because it allows you to convert any existing system, running some other OS, into part of an Octopus system, and make that host system's resources available in the name space,

Re: [9fans] new pc bootstraps

2012-05-11 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:30:25PM -0400, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: New PC bootstraps and manual pages will be arriving on sources soon. Highlights include amd64 booting, using kernel device drivers, better CD booting, and the ability to run on a wider range of machines. See the

Re: [9fans] new pc bootstraps

2012-05-11 Thread Stephen Wiley
On May 10, 2012, at 7:30 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: New PC bootstraps and manual pages will be arriving on sources soon. Highlights include amd64 booting, using kernel device drivers, better CD booting, and the ability to run on a wider range of machines. See the upcoming manual

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
the multiple botch happens only when it tries isa tbdf and can probably ignored? i wonder why the first mpintrenablex() with the pci tbdf would fail. the only case where it would fail that way without leaving some other kernel print behind is when there is no matching pin (aintr-irq) entry

Re: [9fans] Octopus viewer?

2012-05-11 Thread kokamoto
Hey, I got the solution to my annoying problem: why it works anyway? The plumber to plumb DSCN1549.jpg to page is not the plumber to be run from $OCTOPUS/dis/o/termrc, but the plumber done by wm/sh of inferno of the same file . That's the reason why I have to change

Re: [9fans] new pc bootstraps

2012-05-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Stephen Wiley swwi...@gmail.com wrote: On May 10, 2012, at 7:30 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: New PC bootstraps and manual pages will be arriving on sources soon. Highlights include amd64 booting, using kernel device drivers, better CD booting,

[9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
From the IL Wikipedia page: As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of TCP/IP because it doesn't handle long-distance connections well. Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-11 Thread cinap_lenrek
will do. btw, that cannot find southbridge is there forever. just googled for PCI.255.31.7 or 255:31:7 and you get tons of results. maybe that entry in the $PIR is just bogus/dummy? -- cinap

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for either local network or internet usage. And, given It's depreciation status, is it still available for use if one does want to use it? I still use IL on my local

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
the set is at least as large as the number of people who have kenfs. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Burton Samograd burton.samog...@markit.com wrote: From the IL Wikipedia page:     As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of TCP/IP because it doesn't handle

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
I still use IL on my local network, but that's mostly for fun. Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is even possible to run it over the internet anymore given the amount of filtering and such that is going on at the ISP level now? -- Burton This e-mail, including

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is even possible to run it over the internet anymore given the amount of filtering and such that is going on at the ISP level now? I think the main advantage of IL over TCP is its simplicity. However, I wouldn't recommend using

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, The explanation for IL's deprecation is originally from the Plan 9 fourth release notes [1]: We are phasing out the IL protocol since it doesn’t handle long-distance connections well (and long-distance networks don’t handle it well, either). Does anyone know what it is about IL's design

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 11 12:43:42 EDT 2012, burton.samog...@markit.com wrote: I still use IL on my local network, but that's mostly for fun. Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is yes, it does. - erik

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Iruatã Souza
http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=f31b07b59320acda22829bb12bac497cb5a29a69 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Hey, The explanation for IL's deprecation is originally from the Plan 9 fourth release notes [1]: We are phasing out the IL

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
Does anyone know what it is about IL's design that means it doesn't handle long-distance connections well? i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Can't you use TLS over IL? -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 11 14:54:37 EDT 2012, 0in...@gmail.com wrote: i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Can't you use TLS over IL? i

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Is there no encryption support for 9P? - erik This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
Oops, that wasn't from eric... i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Is there no encryption support for 9P? -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
Is there no encryption support for 9P? cpu(1), import(4) and exportfs(4) supports optional encryption using the ssl(3) record layer. -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 11 17:04:04 EDT 2012, 0in...@gmail.com wrote: Is there no encryption support for 9P? cpu(1), import(4) and exportfs(4) supports optional encryption using the ssl(3) record layer. using tcp. there is no reason support for tls/il/ip couldn't have been added, but it was not. -

[9fans] new pc bootstraps on sources

2012-05-11 Thread geoff
9boot(8) is the place to start. 9boot replaces 9pxeload but is more persistent. 9load and 9loadusb should behave much as the old ones did, though I hope that the new ones will run on more machines. One can boot through any PCI ethernet interface for which we have a kernel driver now. We are

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Charles Forsyth
Does anyone know what it is about IL's design that means it doesn't handle long-distance connections well? congestion control, and NATP. the latter isn't IL's design, but IP's, or NAT's, or both.

[9fans] The Alt/Meta Key

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
Hello, I am wondering what is happening when I hold down the Alt/Meta key when I press characters. If I hit Alt-B+B I get something that looks like a bomb. The other keys I've tried just look to double the character I've pressed. Can I modify this behaviour so that I can recognize Alt key

Re: [9fans] The Alt/Meta Key

2012-05-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
keyboard(6), or: http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/6/keyboard