Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-14 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Vincent Zhao zhaoym1...@gmail.com wrote: I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true? I have a working Thinkpad T23 with 1400x1050 video, for years. The only trouble is that it needs a small program to restore video after the lid was

Re: [9fans] 5i floating point?

2012-05-14 Thread Charles Forsyth
They do different things. the ?i series is mainly intended to debug and improve the compilers: it emulates only so much of the architecture and system, enough to get the compiler and libc going. 5e's a nice bit of work (except for the limitation to little-endian host). the emulation of /proc was

[9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread IainWS
I am currently looking into Plan 9's governance as part of a project and was asked this question: does Plan 9 have a Benevolent dictator for life (B.D.L) similar to python's Guido van Rossum? I can't seem to find any one other than the four original authors of the system. Would I be wrong in

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote: Would I be wrong in saying there are four dictators? Yes, there's just good taste :)

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Charles Forsyth
I thought we were an autonomous collective.

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Bruce Ellis
Good taste is its own reward. On 14 May 2012 20:32, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote: Would I be wrong in saying there are four dictators? Yes, there's just good taste :)

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Steve Simon
I thought we were an autonomous collective. Yes, but somhow a Gang of four sounds so much more exciting. -Steve

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Richard Miller
I would say the de facto dictators are those with write permission on /n/sources/plan9, namely: sys:sys::glenda,rsc,jmk,sape,ehg,pb,geoff,bootes And they're mostly benevolent. (Not sure about glenda.)

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread dexen deVries
On Monday 14 of May 2012 11:51:45 Richard Miller wrote: And they're mostly benevolent. (Not sure about glenda.) she anything but: http://mirtchovski.com/p9/images/glendatux.jpg -- dexen deVries [[[↓][→]]] Weightless and alone you speed through the eerie nothingness of space you circle

Re: [9fans] Shiva/Guru Plug Support

2012-05-14 Thread Richard Miller
i've had the most problems with power supplies on both models; going by my sample size, they have a 25% combined failure rate. I've had 100% failure rate (sample size = 1) of the host usb connector, while attempting a demo at IWP9 -- seriously embarrassing.

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread IainWS
On May 14, 8:39 pm, charles.fors...@gmail.com (Charles Forsyth) wrote: I thought we were an autonomous collective. Sorry quick edit, it should actually read B.D.F.L.

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:32:35PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote: Would I be wrong in saying there are four dictators? Yes, there's just good taste :) Since the OS was designed ; is simple ; is consistant, not a lot of people can

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Bruce Ellis
Ah - Bund Deutscher Fußball-Lehrer - of course!

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Gorka Guardiola
2012/5/14 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com: Ah - Bund Deutscher Fußball-Lehrer - of course! Nein, british defense film library. G.

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread IainWS
On May 14, 8:51 pm, 9f...@hamnavoe.com (Richard Miller) wrote: I would say the de facto dictators are those with write permission on /n/sources/plan9, namely:         sys:sys::glenda,rsc,jmk,sape,ehg,pb,geoff,bootes And they're mostly benevolent.  (Not sure about glenda.) Exactly what I

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Anthony Sorace
On May 14, 2012, at 7:54 , IainWS wrote: However things like who handles legal issues in the project, who is the release manager ( if there is going to be another release ), a decision maker - and so on, are some of the answers I am looking for. Is there funding for the project coming from

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 14 May 2012 15:05:56 +0200 Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote: Plan 9 is a research platform for programmers, not a product. As such, your questions don't make sense. Everybody maintains their private trees because this is the way the system is supposed to be used. Plan 9 has a

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 05/14/2012 05:00 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:32:35PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote: Would I be wrong in saying there are four dictators? Yes, there's just good taste :) Since the OS was designed ; is

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread sl
EthanG will be disciplined. -sl

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread erik quanstrom
Plan 9 has never approached Unix in popularity, and has been primarily a research tool: Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-14 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 02:32:17PM +, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 05/14/2012 05:00 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: Hence, Plan9 is in part, by design, insulated from entropy. Plan 9 has never approached Unix in popularity, and has been primarily a research tool: Plan 9

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread Burton Samograd
so looks like jammed interrupt problem? It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly. So no MP for this machine for now. Of course I

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread sl
It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly. So no MP for this machine for now. Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=1

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread erik quanstrom
Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=1 On the Thinkpad T61, the hard drive is sometimes not detected on the first attempt. After thirty seconds or so it usually succeeds and boots as normal. have you done any debugging of this? that sounds like a condition i haven't

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread Burton Samograd
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: It was an MP problem.  I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly. So no MP for this machine for now.

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread Burton Samograd
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Burton Samograd burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: So no MP for this machine for now. Here's some relevant output of linux dmesg regarding MP on my machine: [0.00] found SMP MP-table at [880fe200] fe200 [0.00] initial memory mapped : 0 -

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread sl
On the Thinkpad T61, the hard drive is sometimes not detected on the first attempt. After thirty seconds or so it usually succeeds and boots as normal. have you done any debugging of this? that sounds like a condition i haven't observed. On my Thinkcentre M55 there is actually a BIOS

[9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread Burton Samograd
I'm currently stuck with gmail and you can't login to google using readweb. Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. -- Burton Samograd

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

2012-05-14 Thread sl
Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=1 I tried removing *nomp and adding *msi and got similar errors, but with ioapicenable and mpreenable. The disks got recognized a lot faster this time, which was better, but my keyboard didn't work :-/ I can't really capture the full

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread sl
Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. Mount your gmail account via IMAP: upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com The first time you try this, upas/fs will complain: upas/fs: opening

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: Is there any way to read gmail from plan9?  Over SSL imap maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. Mount your gmail account via IMAP:        upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com The first time you try

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread Matthew Veety
On May 14, 2012, at 11:51 PM, John Floren wrote: If you have a large number of messages, Erik's nupas is useful; IIRC it will cache messages locally so you don't have to download a ton of headers each time you start upas. However I've found that with both old upas and nupas, there are

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread 9 9
Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. Mount your gmail account via IMAP: upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com Any help on sending mails using gmail?

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread 9 9
Any help on sending mails using gmail? http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gmail_on_plan9/index.html suggests that it should be a simple matter, but I get Mail from 'glenda' to '9...@...net' failed with error 'Invalid address'. if I try to post with that modification in my