Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> I like the "or MIME" part. ;) i forgot to include a reference: http://mail.9fans.net/listinfo/9fans

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:03:16 -0600 andrey mirtchovski wrote: > "Don't submit messages containing flames or MIME. Content should be > technical." > > I'm looking at all of you here! > I like the "or MIME" part. ;) -- This is obviously some strange usage of the word "simple" that I was previ

[9fans] Unable to cpu into server, drawterm works fine?

2012-06-09 Thread Matthew Veety
Hey guys, I'm unable to cpu into my cpu server with every user except bootes, but drawterm is working perfectly fine. When I try to cpu in as any other user cpu spits out this line: cpu: can't authenticate: 192.168.1.25: auth_proxy rpc write: bootes: connection refused What's really confusin

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
"Don't submit messages containing flames or MIME. Content should be technical." I'm looking at all of you here!

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Matthew Veety
On Jun 9, 2012 2:11 PM, "hiro" <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I respect all you guy's senseless babbling as I'm being a lot more > disrespectful than anyone here (currently installing windows 98). Go > on. > I would shit on you for this, but I'm an OpenVMS user. -- Veety

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread hiro
I respect all you guy's senseless babbling as I'm being a lot more disrespectful than anyone here (currently installing windows 98). Go on.

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:52:17 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sat Jun 9 12:32:20 EDT 2012, kh...@intma.in wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > > > > > And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives > > > just simply haven't gained any

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Jun 9 12:32:20 EDT 2012, kh...@intma.in wrote: > On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > > > And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives > > just simply haven't gained any ground at all? > > > > Since you seem to be the sort of idiot who

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives > just simply haven't gained any ground at all? > Since you seem to be the sort of idiot who can't differentiate technical quality from distribution volume, I'll

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Jason Catena
Kurt H Maier: Are you claiming it is good through tenure, which is obviously a fallacy, or are you actually calling this catastrophe of a standard "great"? Lucio De Re: You're not offering a comparison, so, yes, I'm calling it "good". So, apparently, do innumerable users, again, maybe for want of

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:51:37 +0200 Lucio De Re wrote: > > standards aren't laws. there's no moral component at all. > > Politics (insufficient resources) can put moral components into > anything. But most technical standard organisations do aim to avoid > making the type of short sighted judgem

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> MIME is a shitty workaround (badly) designed to cram non-text data into > a text-based protocol. Instead of using proper transfer protocols to > transfer files, some morons decided to shove binary data into text-based > messaging. When the web crowd decided they, too, would like to shove > unli

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:29:15 +0200 Lucio De Re wrote: > > How much more so then should we oppose > > standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no > > purpose? > > You're getting lost. The MIME standard (RFC 1341, June 1992) is what > you started criticising Wrong. I don't

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> Are you claiming it is good through tenure, which is obviously a > fallacy, or are you actually calling this catastrophe of a standard > "great"? You're not offering a comparison, so, yes, I'm calling it "good". So, apparently, do innumerable users, again, maybe for want of a better product. T

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 04:29:15PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > (a) that a phenomenal > amount of effort went into establishing that standard; Then it belongs on someone's refrigerator, next to a participation award. Bad decisions aren't less bad just because a lot of people worked hard to make

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> standards aren't laws. there's no moral component at all. Politics (insufficient resources) can put moral components into anything. But most technical standard organisations do aim to avoid making the type of short sighted judgements that lead to resource depletion. Then the market comes alon

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread erik quanstrom
> Regardless of how unjust a law is, it must be obeyed, for it is the > Law! Right? Hah! I'm one of those people who believe citizens have a > duty to oppose unjust laws. How much more so then should we oppose > standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no > purpose? standard

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> How much more so then should we oppose > standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no > purpose? You're getting lost. The MIME standard (RFC 1341, June 1992) is what you started criticising and you're overlooking (a) that a phenomenal amount of effort went into establishin

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 02:00:37 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > regardless of what one thinks of the standard, the header charset > takes precidence! see > http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/dec2002/ > it sucks, but it's better to follow standards than to invent one's own. Regardless

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:05:06 -0700 David Leimbach wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM, erik quanstrom > wrote: > > > i haven't seen any evidence that strongly typed files are a good idea. > > but maybe > > others have? > > > > I can tell you that the "Big Data Analytics" explosion that's b

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread cinap_lenrek
webfs does provide the contenttype info. and abaco reads it. abaco also implements the document charset/encoding override in the document. -- cinap