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> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
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> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
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>>>
Wondering the same thing! Good to know - thx.
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:01 AM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote:
>
> sdvirtio handles both block and scsi type devices.
>
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> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:38 PM Duke Normandin wrote:
>>>> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hello.
>>>>
>>>> please don't p
>> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote:
>>
>> hello.
>>
>> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
>> discuss it elsewhere.
>> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
>> about computers :-) :-)
>>
>> thanx, a.b.
I agree. T
BTW, for Plan 9 noob enlightenment, HN ran this article today:
http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/1st_edition/designing_plan_9
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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:19 PM, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, at 03:54, Antonio Barrones wrote:
> [snip]
>>> I understand
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 01:20:20 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> 9front wiki has some too, for example:
> http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
Excellent! Just what I needed to get started with the tinkering.
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 15:16:06 -0800
Bakul Shah wrote:
> You may find
> https://pspodcasting.net/dan/blog/2019/plan9_desktop.html useful.
I do - thanks!
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:12:37 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my point was that if they weren't pedantic they wouldn't be any
> good
Here's MY point:
https://youtu.be/SoGLU1l7LwY
Short and sweet and to the point. Gimme more ... :)
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:12:37 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my point was that if they weren't pedantic they wouldn't be any
> good
There's a time for pedantic and there a time for not so much.
There's way too much "Bullshit baffles brains" going on - on the
web - IMHO.
At the onset, show
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 20:01:17 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> manuals are always pedantic.
maybe you haven't lived long enough to have stumbled on the good
ones. :)
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 03:35:29 +0900
vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
[snip]
> 9front and Plan 9 are multi-user/multi-tasking distributed
> operating environments. How 9front and Plan 9 are used today
> differs greatly than how it was originally meant to be deployed.
> An end user was meant to login
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:11:38 -0800
Eli Cohen wrote:
> yes, but it also has very good networking capabilities
networking is good! +1
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:56:19 -0500
"Frank D. Engel, Jr." wrote:
> Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to
> emphasize just how different Plan 9 is: you "log out" by
> rebooting.
You're kidding right? So it's a single-user/multi-tasking OS?
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:28:52 -0800
Eli Cohen wrote:
> if you're not accustomed to plan 9
Worst than that! I don't know squat about it. Just manage to
install it 10 minutes ago. I know Unix though and that's where I'm
getting hung up.
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:23:49 -0500
o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Duke Normandin :
> > log in as user:adm
>
> expanding that a bit: log in as a
> user in the 'adm' group.
OK - I'm going to take a time-out and go read about how to use this
thing! I see
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:59:26 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> adm? /adm is a folder, i don't see any reference where it's being
> used as hostowner...
> maybe you wanted to use "glenda" which is default hostowner.
The docs I'm reading say that to setup the correct timezone:
log in as user:a
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:48:11 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Just follow the usual installation, choose sdC0 as the media.
> 9front has its own bootloader which installs in mbr if you chose
> so. Grub can "chainload" (that's the word to search on the
> internet or docs for) that too i
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:31:26 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Awesome. Have fun!
I sure will! Thx a bunch. Before you move on to better things, can
you explain how I get Plan9 onto /dev/sdC0 please.
I've got antiX Linux on /dev/sdC1 which I want to keep. Got GRUB2
bootmanager install
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:01:56 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Which ISO did you use?
Hold the phone! Stop the presses!
I'm in! Joy!!
Accepted the defaults once again after doing a Ctrl-D and BOOM!
I've got a term% window
I've got a "cirno" window.
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:01:56 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Which ISO did you use?
9front-8593.acc504c319a4b4188479cfa602e40cb6851c0528.386.iso
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:54:07 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> > Not bad!! Got to keep going though! LOL What now? Reading the
> > Plan9 install docs. Is 9front install docs different? TIA
>
> Which one of the cd/dvd has 9front in?
It's in the Yamaha CD drive.
> Can you type "!rc" (
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:50:28 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> not sure what's wrong with that cd drive, but as you have the
> kernel loaded, you could also put the iso on a flash drive or so
> and use that for root.
Isn't "/386/init does not exist" a clue?
Why does it not exist I'm wonderi
@hiro, @Sigrid, @vic
Thanks everybody for the tips! Much obliged.
DLed Sigrid's original suggestion. Now - Plan9 boots up to here:
[boot-msg]
/dev/sdC0: ST3802110A
/dev/sdC0/data
/dev/sdC1: Maxtor 6Y080L0
/dev/sdC1/data
/dev/sdC1/linux
/dev/sdC1/linux1
/dev/sdD0: YAMAHA CRW2200E
/dev/sdD0/data
/d
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Sat Jan 15 04:25:22 EST 2011, st...@quintile.net wrote:
> > Its not faulty caps, they just have a limited life,
> > dried up electrolytic caps is the cause of most
> > electronics dieing of old age.
>
> is that lifetime 2 years?
>
> i have 3 va linux
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > > Not in the sense that you can purge specific files you don't
> > > > want and continue using the same venti. But you can do what a
> > > > copying garbage collector does -- it copies all the data
> > > > *reachable* from the data `roots' (a set of
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> > Am I close?
>
> a Plan 9 "file server" is just a program that responds to the 9P
> protocol described in section 5 of the manual. (there is library
> support for writing a file server.) a file server can provide a
> service other than conventional d
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > i don't use venti, i use the original file server, but this still holds
> > > true of any worm system. in the 6 years i've had my worm, i've used
> > > 12gb. yet the size of my worm went from 18gb to 1500gb.
> >
> > So the sub-partition fossil is
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
> > The Fossil partition being the partition where Plan9 will be running.
> > Venti should then be on another partition?
> >
>
> Plan 9 partitions are (in the standard installation) subdivided,
> 9fat - for the kernel
> fossil - ...
> swap - ...
>
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > The Fossil partition being the partition where Plan9 will be running.
> > > Venti should then be on another partition?
> > >
> > Yes.
>
> i don't think that this conveys the right meaning. plan 9 is compatable with
> fdisk-style partitions, but typ
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
[snip]
> > What is the minimum HDD capacity required to run an Auth/cpu/fs server
> > with Venti support?
>
> There's no hard and fast rule, really, but your Fossil partit
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > The Plan ( server would
> > > have to have enough disk space to store its own stuff, plus the
> > > workstation's file system? Could get dicey, if you've got a few
> > > workstations net-booting, could it not?
> >
> > It can. The clients all share
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> On 1/13/2011 7:42 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
> > What is Venti again?
>
> Venti is the archival storage for Plan 9. Basically, new files and
> changes to files get written to the Fossil file system. If Venti exists,
> those chan
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
[snip]
> > So the NIC in your Linux box must have to be PXE capable?
>
> It depends. If you want to PXE boot the box directly and have
> it run the Plan9 kernel natively, then at some point, something
> will have to be PXE capable. That could b
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> At Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:37:52 -0700 (MST),
> Duke Normandin wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> >
> > > I think you mentioned in another message that you have a headless box
> > > available; I
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
> yes, I dual booted Plan 9 and windows for years, it worked great,
> just boot the cdroom and follow the instructions, choose the empty
> space or partition from the installer, etc. you'll end up with a standalone
> terminal, no need for a cpu ser
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
> I've trashed my partition table more than once in the past years
> TeskDisk always saved my ass, I just booted a linux live cd,
> download the static binary and fixed my partition table...
>
> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
So have I! T
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
> > I could run a headless box as a Plan9 auth/cpu, fs server. Then,
> > if I want to this Plan9 server, is there a minimum Plan9 install
> > that I could put on the spare partition that I have?
>
> With this setup available, there are several ways you
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
[snip]
> It has become a little confusing over the last 20 years. In a way
> too brief way, here are the basic incarnations of Plan9:
>
> - Natively running the current Plan9 kernel
>- Stand-alone terminal with its own fs
>- Terminal (possibl
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
[snip]
> Yes. You just stick in the CD and do a basic install. When you're
> done, you get all the programs that ship with Plan 9; it's very
> usable, you can connect to various Plan 9 servers or FTP to move
> files around and stuff.
I see! I mis-understoo
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
[snip]
> If you only have one computer available and have to dual-boot, you can
> actually do pretty good with a simple, standalone terminal (this is what
> gets installed by default). You can then get an account at one or two of
> the public Plan 9 servers
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> >
> >> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
> >> Plan 9 environment is lik
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, David Leimbach wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
> > Just read:
> >
> > http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
> >
> > [quote]
> > Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from sepa
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
> Plan 9 environment is like, using VMware or Qemu to create VM's for
> various roles (auth/cpu, fs, term) connected by a virtual network is
> an excellent option. I've successfully u
Just read:
http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
[quote]
Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from separate
machines acting as terminals, CPU servers, and file servers.[/quote]
Does the above imply, that ideally Plan9 should be running on a LAN?
Not so good as the OS on a st
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Tassilo Philipp wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, you should be able to edit the plan9.ini file on a
> PC, to set the source you want to boot from. However, I did that only
> once, and I don't remember the details... look up plan9.ini(8)
> (http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/8/plan9.i
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Jan 13 11:53:18 EST 2011, tphil...@potion-studios.com wrote:
> > If I'm not mistaken, you should be able to edit the plan9.ini file on a
> > PC, to set the source you want to boot from. However, I did that only
> > once, and I don't remember the
@Gorka Guardiola
@Tassilo Philipp
Thanks for the warnings, and friendly advice :)
I think I'll just use a bare 2nd HDD on the same machine, or a junker
box kicking around.
Do you guys know if Plan9 will boot off a slave HDD?
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > Zero problems! No OS install tried to mess with another partition. So,
> > > are you being overly cautious here, or is there a real danger that
> > > Plan9 has a run-away?
> > >
> >
> > I haven´t seen Plan 9 do this, but better safe than sorry...
>
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > When I start the install process from the Live CD, I'll probably be
> > asked to choose a partition where I want Plan9 to live, right?
> >
> > I'll choose one; it'll warn me that the partition is already in use,
> > do I want to overwrite it? I'll rep
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> When you boot the live cd you'll have a pretty good idea whether your
> system is supported -- if things are OK you'll get to a gui with
> installation information. You'll be able to figure out whether you
> want to try it or not even before you get
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Jacob Todd wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2011 9:32 AM, "Duke Normandin" wrote:
> >
> > Hello 9fans ...
> >
> > I'm _totally_ new to Plan9! Two days ago I had never heard of
> > it. Yesterday I DLed the LiveCD - now I want to know more
ary development language for Plan9? C? What languages
have been ported to Plan9?
Where are the best docs? TIA...
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