Cross fingers...
On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Fran. J Ballesteros <n...@lsub.org> wrote:
> not yet.
> sorry for the "was".
>
> El 6 may 2017, a las 15:12, Peter A. Cejchan <tyap...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> "clive was just another attempt"...o
"clive was just another attempt"...oh, no... Clive is dead ???
On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros
wrote:
> I don’t now if clive or not,
>
> but, I think the world has changed and I’d like to get a plan9 like
> environment
> but considering as the HW all the
It would be nice to have something like old Oberon OS had; I think acme was
inspired in part by it (I may be wrong).
Some time ago, I had some ideas on windowing design; were anyone
interested, they're here:
http/www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/newUI.pdf
Sounds great!
Thank you, Kenji !!
++pac
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:14 AM, arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote:
Hello 9fans,
I have written a text database named Kirara.
The following is a brief introduction to Kirara.
If you are interested in, get Kirara from:
I have ThinkPad T23 and the stick works with native Plan 9...
++pac
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Joseph Xu joseph...@gmail.com wrote:
I usually just lurk here, but I didn't want anybody else to go through
3 different mice like I did (HP 3 button mouse, contour mouse,
evoluent mouse)
If all fails, you can try out what worked for me some time ago:
version go-93dc7f0e302b compiles out-of the box.
Prerequisites:
kernel post-Aug2012
8* suite post-March2012
VERSION file is needed if hg is not installed.
Mercurial is only needed to generate the top-level VERSION file.
You can work
Also, keep in mind that there is already a well known and popular tiling
environment in Plan 9. If you are able to make a window manager with an
acme feeling I'm sure many users would be interested. The challenge here is
to have the good taste required to come up with the right design, and
devon.od...@gmail.comwrote:
2013/4/26 Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com:
Also, keep in mind that there is already a well known and popular tiling
environment in Plan 9. If you are able to make a window manager with an
acme
feeling I'm sure many users would be interested. The challenge
/help (which led to Acme),
had graphics, and live rich text.
You could cut a running animation and paste it in somewhere else.
On 26 April 2013 08:11, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
I also like very much the Acme's replacement of hard-coded menus by
customizable taglines
on the Edit on the
window i want the changes to happen. Easier and reusable.
2013/4/1 Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com
however, in native Plan9, scrolling goes too fast for multi-line tagline
:-)
[yes, I know that I should keep commands short, but, e.g., Edit requires
newline between commands
to save my time, could you, please, share that trick? Thanks,
++pac
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:45 AM, trebol trebol55...@yahoo.es wrote:
Hello everyone,
I've had problems discovering the feature of dragging button 1 to scroll
the tag line. I have used first the p9p's acme, which has a more
+0200, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
to save my time, could you, please, share that trick? Thanks,
++pac
Hello Peter, I suppose my English is too bad. The trick I was talking
about is the dragging feature itself, sorry.
Thanks, very nice, mates!
I humbly add some of minebelow.
Best, ++pac
#
## Latin
äëïñöüÿÄÅËÏÖÜ
## Greek
αβγδεζηθλμνξπρστφψωΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
## select text
:;# select all text
:;25# select from start to line 25 (inclusive)
:25;# select from line 25 (inclusive) to EOF
Edit
Maybe it's time for an Acme wiki page?
Also, could you share the plumbing rules you use (for my
inspiration/learning)?
Happy Easter, folks!
++pac
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.comwrote:
On Friday 29 of March 2013 01:38:06 Bence Fábián wrote:
I did a quick
….
but it's already there.
On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com
wrote:
I still hope that some clone of plan9/nix/nxm will merge with Go
Sorry for that. I am not a natuive speaker. English uses different
punctuation then my mothertongue.
However, I hope you got what I wanted to say.
++pac
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:08 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/23/13, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
@Lucio: I still hope
So, you perceive it, too unfortunately, then there will be no more
computers, even electric power nomads don't need it, and won't care :-(
++pac
IMHO, with the advent of a crisis compared to which 1929 will be a
minor storm, there will be a general disgust and lack of trust and a
Yep...
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:54:14AM +0100, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
So, you perceive it, too unfortunately, then there will be no more
computers, even electric power nomads don't need it, and won't care
:-(
++pac
@Lucio: I still hope that some clone of plan9/nix/nxm will merge with Go
... just my dream, and I am just an embryo of a programmer
(as multiply stated here and elsewhere) so take it easy however, I'm
moving all my old stuff (and creating new one) to Go
[unfortunately, I am afraid I will
Thank you, thank you, a _big_ thank you, folks!
I will add a line how to parse the XFree86 Modeline to the wiki,
the link is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline
Now it works great with my Dell DELL U2412Mb monitor and NVIDIA Corporation
NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE] graphics card.
Use native Plan9 ;-)))
++pac
[sorry for being cheeky]
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.comwrote:
On Monday 18 of March 2013 16:56:00 Patrick Higgins wrote:
I am trying out Acme after watching rsc's tour at
http://research.swtch.com/acme
So far I have
Hi, 9friends,
could anyone recommend (personal experience would be nice) a VGA card that
can support
1920x1200 mode on native Plan 9 from Bell Labs (from Bell Labs ;-)
?
Yes, I've read the wiki but it seems a bit outdated (?). Maybe not, I can't
tell.
Unfortunately, I am 50+ and my vision
Okay, I'll give it a try.
I must first decide on a (quasi)stable dir tree. The problem is that I have
almost 2TB of data,
so should I have another 2TB disk for Venti if I want to put there all?
Thanks,
Peter.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM, a...@9srv.net wrote:
I reorganize my data very
Thanks for warning!
However, I reorganize my data very often, moving between dirs, renaming,
reorganising tree structure...
How will Venti cope with this?
Fopr now, I plan to put the data onto an ext2 partition for now, until I
feel the dir tree is well-designed.
I just want to mount the fossil
Hi, folks,
I am about to buy an internal HD for my native Plan9 box.
I need 2TB or more, can anyone recommend me a model that is tested to work?
Native, not p9p.
Also, can anyone recommend a hi-res video card, SXGA+ or better, 24-bit
depth?
I am aware of the Supported PC Hardware page, of
Yes, I can recommend Erik' s 9atom, too, it solved my problems with
installation onto a SATA-II HD some time ago...
Regards,
++pac
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
Back to the Plan 9 install issue on native h/w.. does Plan 9 support SATA
http://research.swtch.com/acme
http://bendyworks.com/geekville/lab_projects/2012/11/getting-plan-9-running-on-the-raspberry-pi
HTH,
++pac
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, avoid9...@gmail.com wrote:
And if so have they analysed WHY they like it?
How mature [not too problematic for a plan9
Yes. It was me. For the timer being, I tar the dirs w/too many files in.
Would be glad to have that patch.
Thanks,
++pac
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote:
Somebody recently reported a problem with ext2srv not working when
directories are huge enough to
## How to do this with [acme | sam | sed ] ?
# compound commands
# remove outermost pair of braces: abcd(x+(y-z))efgh -- abcdx+(y-z)efgh
[ no idea :-( ]
# remove semicolon before // comments: xyz;[tab][space]*// -- xyz
[ Edit /;[ ]*\/\// Edit s/;// # find and remove
push button3.
Looks complicated written down but it's a really quick and easy to learn
sequence.
2013/1/11 Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com
## How to do this with [acme | sam | sed ] ?
# compound commands
# remove outermost pair of braces: abcd(x+(y-z))efgh -- abcdx+(y-z)efgh
I did an ape port some tim,e ago, but I don know whether it has/has not
this problem. You might check it out. Maybe you'll need to edit paths in
mkfile.
/n/sources/contrib/pac/sys/src/ape/cmd/txt/refer.tbz
regards/ahoj
Petr
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Rudolf Sykora
This is from manpage, but I not sure what _exactly_ it means, and whether
it applies to your problem:
Care should be taken when using the shell metacharacters
$*[^|()=\ and newline in pattern; it is safest to enclose
the entire expression in single quotes '...'. An
size 16 looks good on 2048x1152 23'' displays.
what graphics card do you use with these displays (natine)?
thanks
++pac
you could use ps2ascii foo.pdf foo.txt, and serch for the sentence there
but it is not very convenient :-(
++pac
select text in the first window
2-1 chord on Look in the second window's tag line
how about running a command from another window, w/o copying to the tagline?
++pac
i was always missing a 'command window' where can i see the file with my
customized commands (for the task i'm working on), w/o restarting acme. see
my ancient postings about an idea how to replace (mostly redundant)
taglines with a command window. (yes, i can open my guide file in a window
and
again just to see if it works a different time. Maybe I'll give 9atom
a shot too
I had to switch to 9atom some time asgo whe I bought my first sata-ii hd
(but it was not on a laptop). If there is an option Configure SATA(or IDE)
as AHCI in your BIOS,
use it.
regards,
++pac
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Vincent Zhao zhaoym1...@gmail.com wrote:
I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true?
I have a working Thinkpad T23 with 1400x1050 video, for years. The
only trouble is that it needs a small program to restore video after
the lid was
.TS
box, tab(:);
l | l l l l.
:b1 left:b2 middle:b3 right:cancel
_
select:x:::
execute::x::b3 right
search:::x:b2 middle
_
cut:first:second::b3 right
snarf:first:second:third
paste:first::second:b2 middle
.TE
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Christian Neukirchen
chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote:
to talk about the port of Go to Plan 9 (or
BTW, what is the current status of 9Go ... I still use 60.2
cheers,
++pac
thank you very much , Eric!
I don't use strange chars in my filenames, but others do, sigh,
++pac
# remove spaces from file names /// does not work
EXT=boo
rm run
for (old in `{9 ls *.$EXT}) {
new=`{echo $old | tr -d ' ' }
echo mv $old $new run
}
# this works, but is ugly:
# remove unwanted chars from file names
EXT=boo
9 ls *.$EXT foo
9 cat foo | 9 tr -c [0-9][a-z][A-Z]'.''\x0a'
Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then force
Peter to use the library exclusively. I somehow doubt that acme will
[snip]
Be sure I will never downgrade to bells and whistles that add no
functionality, hewever, others would.hen rewrite every other's program
UI?
:-)
Best,
It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus,
multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc.
Oh, no!!!
++pac
I have a 'refer' port somewhere in contrib/pac, I don't know whether it
runs on p9p, thgere are other's, too, give it a try ;)
best,
Peter.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.comwrote:
Hello,
does anybody know about a 'refer' version for plan9port?
(I know
Hello,
get the tarball from me:
http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/go.tgz
unpack it and follow the instructions in go/9install
should compile fine on native plan9/386
be warned: this is version 60.2, much has changed since,
good luck,
++pac
I had the same problem with ron minnich's distribution, try to dive into
cmd and check the Makefile.
Ron's distro is 60.2, and the changes needed to compile natively are in
/n/sorces/contrib/pac/9go./tbz
HTH,
best,
++pac
is it okay to do ^T^Tr (or, CtlAltDel) then? I guess it is, however..
++pac
I've just checked it out, just boot/login/logout:
the terminal went to 'black' (== txt) mode with
prompt:
fsys all sync
main sync: wrote blocks ## why??
(then, cursor blinks until Enter)
term%
why did it write anything wnen nothing was changed? just login/fshalt...
fshalt runs fossilcons(4) sync to flush the cache,
before halting the file system.
... there've been some issues around pull considering files as locally
modified while they weren't... thus, I have some outdated versions of
everything ... I'll try to edit the pull's output to pull -s list, then
we'll see.
Although unhappy with that, I am spending much time now on linux, writing
I use Ron Minnich's distribution from http://code.google.com/r/rminnich-9go/
It compiles fine on native plan9-386. I had to do some minor changes,
however. Get this tarball, unpack and cpdir -m to $GOROOT
It is somewhat outdated compared to Lucio's version (this is 60.2)
Just do:
## Go language
I forgot the link to the changed files, i shall put the tarball on
contrib/pac in a few minutes
++pac
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
I use Ron Minnich's distribution from
http://code.google.com/r/rminnich-9go/
It compiles fine on native plan9-386
now it is on contrib/pac/9go.tbz
No, not disgusting... I gonna do that, inspect the list, and do a pull. I
think I have cfg files backupped (at least, n-1 ;-)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:23 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
...
list of -s'es and run pull again?
disgusting, no?
I experienced the same when pulling system files after some time of not
upgrading. Also, I am pretty sure that I have not modified those files
listed as modified locally. I tried pull -s *, but it did not work at all.
Thanks,
Peter.
yes, I expected that. thanks! Peter
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote:
...
Dearest Folks,
I would like to wish you all a peaceful Christmas and a well-lived
(unsure whether this is the correct word in English) new year.
Please, feel free to download a little Christmas present from me, and yes,
you can redistribute, if you wish (and if you like it). It is here:
I can send you some papers on awk that I have collected over years, if you
are interested. Sorry, I do not remember links. Just write me at tyapca
[at] gmail.com
best,
peter
no, it is a calendar, photographed and typeset by me... sorry if you don't
like it,
best,
++pac
ps: i dont send viruses to my friends... ;-)
sorry, I never tried cross-compiling. I started here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_compiler#GCC_and_cross_compilation, and
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~milom/cross-compile.html
what should be switch --target=some-target set to?
your best bet is to cross-compile on Linux. set GOOS to plan9
$ ./make.bash /dev/null
make: *** [executable.o] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
do i need to merge rminnich-9go with go.googlecode.com/hg/ go???
thanks, peter
which is the current distribution of 9go: by ron at golang.org, or at
contrib/lucio?
I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9
thanks, regards, ++pac
okay, I'll try all three possibilities, however, how to extract files from
lucio's go.ext? I see that it is plain text... thanks, ++pac
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:21 AM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote:
I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9
thanks,
Or, you can use http://www.uschovna.cz if it is not over 200MiB
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you share it over ftp or http? thanks, happy advent, Peter.
Hello,
please, if you wish, take a look at my old thesis, we can apply for a grant
to get it online, polished, hopefully in Go language golang.org running
on plan9 native
http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/model/probab-model.pdf [ps]
however, I have no funding at present time, sorry,
best,
Peter.
#!/bin/rc
# burn a CD from ISO-9660 image on $home/cd.iso
# version 0.03
# Thu Jul 3 06:35:32 EDT 2003 c...@gli.cas.cz
rfork e
t1 =`{date}
kill cdfs | rc
kill 9660srv | rc
cdfs -d /dev/sdD0
cp $home/cd.iso /mnt/cd/wd || echo CD BURNING ERROR
t2 =`{date}
echo begin: $t1
echo end: $t2
# -eof-
PS.: also, the example doesn't fixate the disk. Should it? Shouldn't
it? (Why is this (un)needed?)
I don't know. I do not use isofs anymore. I rather write a tar file to
raw CD. Maybe I am crazy, but it works fine for me, at least for
backup.
I have 2 yrs old 1TB SATA Caviar that most of its lifetime spent in a bin in
my table... waiting just for data backup (ext2)... after 2yrs2months (and
only few hours really spinning) it has 16 bad sectors, sigh ... it is
WD1002FBYS ... just warning, regards,
++pac
Rest in peace, dear Sir, ad thank you for C...
++pac
Sorry, I was wrong : I am running plan9/fossil on a 1TB WD Caviar disk:
WD1002FBYS, however, this is not what you wanted, sorry.
++pac
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
i use WD Caviar
Greenhttp://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=773model
i'd rather have a window like win that would operate on the same
principle
as the sam edit window.
So do I.
++pac
By the way, I patched acme so that | (the pipe symbol) can take an
Is the patch on sources?
++pac
Thanks!
The acme version in contrib/yiyus includes this and some other
No error, no crash. Just some files/dirs are not copied to new destination.
du -s gives different number on linux vs. ext2srv/plan9 native./ Also, du -a
| wc -l differ. I was not able to identify any system in which files/ dirs
do not appear on ext2srv. First, i thought that dirs with 120 files,
i use WD Caviar Green model WD20EARS (2TB SATA II) without any problems.
I
installed from erik's 9atom.iso
Did you toggle any jumpers on the drive? I finally gave up and returned
it.
No. No jumpers at all are inserted. It worked just out-of-the-box. I had
first to switch to Treat SATA as
i use WD Caviar
Greenhttp://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=773model
*WD20EARS (2TB SATA II*) without any problems. I installed from erik's
9atom.iso
it is quite silent, but I have no idea how to measure its speed :-(
++pac
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:07 AM, slash slash.9f...@gmail.com
would it run on native plan9, too?
thanks, peter, aka
++pac
hi, folks,
i am aware of that my behaviour is not m uch plan9-ish, but, i found useful
the option 'update==rewrite, when newer' when merging directory trees from
different sources ... tar has a -k option, what about to add -u option?? and
wkat about cpdir -u?? kenji?
thanks, best regards,
++pac
hi, folks,
i am aware of that my behaviour is not m uch plan9-ish, but, i found useful
the option 'update==rewrite, when newer' when merging directory trees from
different sources ... tar has a -k option, what about to add -u option?? and
wkat about cpdir -u?? kenji?
thanks, best regards,
++pac
i have it somewhere, if you can wait till Monday,
have a look: www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/Default.htm
++pac
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:07:06 +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote:
Can anyone suggest how to change the background window
in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into
margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets.
yes!! i agree 100%
last night i couldn't sleep for a while, so i tried to imagine acme as a
whole screen ui, w/o any taglines, ctrl-boxes, and sliders... however, i ran
into
you can hide all-but-one taglines with right- (rathre than middle-) click
on
tagline's `layout box' (the square to the left)
yes, i know, and i am aware also of the two-column method that andrey
suggested above; however, a wide screen (1980) would then be nice... for
now, i drag all but two
occupied by WIMP controls. Tasteless.
sorry, i had just the slider idea on my mind, sending a better img:
http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/slider.pnghttp://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png
still tasateless?
PS: Gestures requires no controls.
i didn't get it:
hi, folks,
please, look at this:
http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png, and share your
opinion;
the main thing is the right-hand side with the slider
and let's talk about this screen-pixels-saving idea
the window borders are thin, but still active, mainly from outside of
sorry, i dont understand. if i have 20 files open in acme (yes, i'm silly),
and i want to see just two of them at once, my screen is spoilt by useless
taglines, saying all the time all the same: Cut Paste Snarf Look etc
dont you perceive it as sucking??
++pac
No. your editor window would
... so do I, except of testing c++ and other stuff on linux first,
cross fingers, man, and welcome aboard ;-) !!
++pac
Hi, friend,
sry 4 a bit offending response:
IMHO, maybe, you should get a 0.5 GB partition try to run p9 natively,
believe me, or not, it is worth to. Or, get a $20 i386
box and install p9 on it. And yes, I am not a techie, I am a paleobiologist
w/some basic skills on C programming. Yes, the
i was overly emotional, sorry. i also overlooked that the debate is about
drawterm, a non-plan9 program. doubly sorry.
still, to my taste, to much effort is devoted to things outside the
system... however, i am not an MBA, maybe, it is all right.
wishing a fantastic day,
++pac
it's always all right not to be an MBA
not here ;-)
The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has been popular in business
for decades, but its message has never been more important and, or useful
for many. -- Rob Tannen
yes!!
BTW, I hate porting bloatware to clean, compact and efficient Plan 9.
so do i, however, sometimes time (and,
Folks,
i am very unhappy seeing this kind of discussions here (and, the wasted
potential to do something more useful in my eyes, sorry, but IMHO)... it
resembles me very much the times when Steve Jobbs compromised the ideas of
the NeXTstep, first downgrading it to the OpenStep for Windoze users,
do you mean 'graph', or 'chart' ?
++pac
http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/en/index.htm
http://www.nokalva.com/asn1/booksintro.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/IEB/ToolBox/SDKDOCS/ASNLIB.HTML
ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/toolbox/ncbi_tools/sdkdoc/
hope this would be of some help,
best regards,
++pac
Hi, folks,
GhostScript 8.53 (current plan9 ported version, if I understand it right)
has a problem with rendering EPS patterns:
http://www.stratigraphy.cz/8.53.png
while 9.01 is OK:
http://www.stratigraphy.cz/9.01.png
Does anybody maintain the GS port? I am ready to contribute, if you lead
Thanks to all who helped me! Libps, a native PostScript generating library,
is on contrib:
/n/sources/contrib/pac/sys/src/lib/libps.tbz
It is a fork from pslib-0.4.1. It is still a big mess, some warnings about
unused vars, etc, during compiling, but a simple testing program links and
works
sounds like a job for pic(1) - A friend of troff. Troff has a postscript
backend,
pic if fine, but I think it can't do areas delimited by bezier curves, and
filled w/color+hash, does it?
BTW, ps2pdf (it is a part of gs, isn't it?) emitted a (huge) bitmap wrapped
in pdf, last time I used it
st...@quintile.net wrote:
graphviz package in my contrib is (I believe) documented here:
graphviz is OK, i just wanted to steal some ps-generating functions from
psgen.c (in dotneato/common) but i was not sure abou the meaning of some
params...
do you think that psgen.c would be a candidate
the error message is like this:
8l box.8 pslib.8 ...
??none?? incompatible type signetures c2d44e4 (pslib.8) and affc2df4
(pslist.8) for dlst_freenode
what does it mean?
++pac
sorry, type is void *fn()
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