Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800 Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. -Jack It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or as a user-space program under other OSs. I used it to try out someone else's

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-10-25 Thread Dan Cross
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800 Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-18 Thread Anssi Porttikivi
Oh, god, this is what we have longed for almost 20 years. I always thought I should do this kind of video. Thank you Russ! t. Anssi Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com kirjoitti 17.9.2012 kello 21.26: And a cleaner link to that: http://research.swtch.com/acme On 17 September 2012

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-18 Thread michaelian ennis
Ah. Cedar. http://research.swtch.com/acme.pdf Ian

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-17 Thread michaelian ennis
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may not realize that acme itself is a copy. Isn't even that a derivation of the window system from PARC? Oak I believe? Ian

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
And this just in: http://research.swtch.com/acme?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=twitterutm_campaign=Feed%3A+hnycombinator+%28HN+-+hnycombinator%29

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
And a cleaner link to that: http://research.swtch.com/acme On 17 September 2012 19:24, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.comwrote: And this just in: ...

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-15 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
Probably never heard of Acme. Great, the idea must be good then. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

[9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread dexen deVries
Seems a well-meaning developer sort of re-invented Acme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABg -- dexen deVries [[[↓][→]]] I'm sorry that this was such a long lett­er, but I didn't have time to write you a short one. -- Bla­ise Pasc­al

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Charles Forsyth
Probably never heard of Acme. On 14 September 2012 14:12, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: Seems a well-meaning developer sort of re-invented Acme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABg -- dexen deVries [[[↓][→]]] I'm sorry that this was such a long lett­er, but I didn't

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Lucio De Re
Probably never heard of Acme. The demo looks impressive, though. I didn't follow it very well, it was way too fast and full of references to concepts that evidently haven't reached my corner of Dark Africa yet :-) Still, Oberon had all that a long time ago, if memory isn't betraying me. ++L

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Charles Forsyth
Probably never heard of Oberon either. On 14 September 2012 15:07, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Still, Oberon had all that a long time ago, if memory isn't betraying me.

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Sep 14 10:12:24 EDT 2012, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: Probably never heard of Oberon either. neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may not realize that acme itself is a copy. - erik

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Hugo Rivera
I knew it because I read the paper :-) 2012/9/14 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Fri Sep 14 10:12:24 EDT 2012, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: Probably never heard of Oberon either. neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may not realize that acme itself is a

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Charles Forsyth
Copy is a little strong: inspired by, certainly, by way of help/help, but there's an amazing difference in the structure of acme as text editor as file server with many independent clients accessing it through the file system. Oberon had a more conventional module plug-in structure within a single

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Jack Johnson
Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. -Jack

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Anssi Porttikivi
Note that Oberon the OS was a stated influence of Ron Pike et. al. Even in Go, type embedding and resistance to class hierarchies relates back to Oberon, the language. Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote 14.9.2012 kello 19.48: Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Anssi Porttikivi
Typos by iPhone. Forgive me, Rob. t. Anssi Anssi Porttikivi porttik...@gmail.com kirjoitti 14.9.2012 kello 23.00: Note that Oberon the OS was a stated influence of Ron Pike et. al. Even in Go, type embedding and resistance to class hierarchies relates back to Oberon, the language.

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Nick LaForge
Speak of the devil Good artists copy, great artists steal. -Pablo Picasso^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSteven Jobs^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSamsung Ltd.(?) This message: -some blogger^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HNick LaForge Typos by me. Sent from my meEgo (alphabet button invention included).

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread hiro
forgive me, mother, for reading this mailinglist.

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Matthew Veety
On Sep 14, 2012 7:16 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: forgive me, mother, for reading this mailinglist. I feel as though our mothers have already abandoned us for this list.