Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Charles Forsyth
>Does anyone know what it is about IL's design that means it doesn't >handle long-distance connections well? congestion control, and NATP. the latter isn't IL's design, but IP's, or NAT's, or both.

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 11 17:04:04 EDT 2012, 0in...@gmail.com wrote: > > Is there no encryption support for 9P? > > cpu(1), import(4) and exportfs(4) supports optional > encryption using the ssl(3) record layer. using tcp. there is no reason support for tls/il/ip couldn't have been added, but it was not. -

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
> Is there no encryption support for 9P? cpu(1), import(4) and exportfs(4) supports optional encryption using the ssl(3) record layer. -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
Oops, that wasn't from eric... > i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. > tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Is there no encryption support for 9P? -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidentia

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
> i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. > tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Is there no encryption support for 9P? - erik This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. An

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 11 14:54:37 EDT 2012, 0in...@gmail.com wrote: > > i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the > > protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since > > it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. > > Can't you use TLS over

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
> i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the > protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since > it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Can't you use TLS over IL? -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> > Does anyone know what it is about IL's design that means it doesn't > handle long-distance connections well? i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Iruatã Souza
http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=f31b07b59320acda22829bb12bac497cb5a29a69 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Hey, > > The explanation for IL's deprecation is originally from the Plan 9 > fourth release notes [1]: > >> We are phasing out the IL protocol

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 11 12:43:42 EDT 2012, burton.samog...@markit.com wrote: > > I still use IL on my local network, but that's mostly for fun. > > > Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is yes, it does. - erik

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, The explanation for IL's deprecation is originally from the Plan 9 fourth release notes [1]: > We are phasing out the IL protocol since it doesn’t handle long-distance > connections well (and long-distance networks don’t handle it well, either). Does anyone know what it is about IL's design

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
> Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is > even possible to run it over the internet anymore given the amount of > filtering and such that is going on at the ISP level now? I think the main advantage of IL over TCP is its simplicity. However, I wouldn't recommend using

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
> I still use IL on my local network, but that's mostly for fun. Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is even possible to run it over the internet anymore given the amount of filtering and such that is going on at the ISP level now? -- Burton This e-mail, including

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
the set is at least as large as the number of people who have kenfs. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Burton Samograd wrote: > From the IL Wikipedia page: > > > >     As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of > TCP/IP because it doesn't handle long-distance connection

Re: [9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
> Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol > and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for either > local network or internet usage. And, given It's depreciation > status, is it still available for use if one does want to use it? I still use IL on my local ne

[9fans] IL depreciated

2012-05-11 Thread Burton Samograd
>From the IL Wikipedia page: As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of TCP/IP because it doesn't handle long-distance connections well. Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for e