On Mon Dec 23 22:37:27 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote:
> Hope my feedback is a help. I'm ready to try more whenever you are.
it is, but also as anyone else is, you are welcome to submit patches
fixing issues. apatch/create issuename email@sub.domain file
- erik
Hope my feedback is a help. I'm ready to try more whenever you are.
Thanks!
Blake
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:30 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Mon Dec 23 22:14:10 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the new boot trial. I am still getting an error on my HP as
> > follows:
> >
On Mon Dec 23 22:14:10 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote:
> Thanks for the new boot trial. I am still getting an error on my HP as
> follows:
>
> ehci . qh . timed out (no inter?)
>
> It did boot but I am getting those errors on the screen. Please let me
> know if more info would be h
Thanks for the new boot trial. I am still getting an error on my HP as
follows:
ehci . qh . timed out (no inter?)
It did boot but I am getting those errors on the screen. Please let me
know if more info would be helpful.
Hope this helps. Thanks!
Blake
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:03
> http://newftp.9atom.org/other/+usbinstamd64.bz2 resolves (www vs. newftp).
i'm sorry should be ftp, though. thanks for the correction!
- erik
http://newftp.9atom.org/other/+usbinstamd64.bz2 resolves (www vs. newftp).
d
On 24/12/2013, at 9:44 AM, Blake McBride wrote:
> I am having trouble with that link. Is it correct?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04
I am having trouble with that link. Is it correct?
Thanks.
Blake
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > ack, thanks...
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM, erik quanstrom >wrote:
> >
> > > > her
On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
> ack, thanks...
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > > here you go... effectless...
> > >
> > > apologies from "Windows Movie Maker"
> > >
> > > ... also on google+
> >
> > problem diagnosed. "mwait
ack, thanks...
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > here you go... effectless...
> >
> > apologies from "Windows Movie Maker"
> >
> > ... also on google+
>
> problem diagnosed. "mwait required". perhaps i got a bit exuberant
> requiring mwait support. i'll take a look at
> here you go... effectless...
>
> apologies from "Windows Movie Maker"
>
> ... also on google+
problem diagnosed. "mwait required". perhaps i got a bit exuberant
requiring mwait support. i'll take a look at this but this evening i'm
taking a look at a few bits with the 40gbe driver.
- erik
sorry, that went horribly wrong, give me a minute...
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Conor Williams
wrote:
> wmv ok?...
>
> they are also on my google+
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Conor Williams > wrote:
>
>> and would you believe, i have the very movie... but... it 43MB... gonna
and would you believe, i have the very movie... but... it 43MB... gonna
convert it now.. wts!
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:53 PM, erik quanstrom
wrote:
> On Thu Dec 19 17:36:48 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > cool man, nice follow up... it's the bell-labs one is code 87... your one
On Thu Dec 19 17:36:48 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
> cool man, nice follow up... it's the bell-labs one is code 87... your one
> was fine but it crashed... and that was the pic I sent...
>
> don't worry too much about it... gonna get some of my old hardware after
> christmas, that I
cool man, nice follow up... it's the bell-labs one is code 87... your one
was fine but it crashed... and that was the pic I sent...
don't worry too much about it... gonna get some of my old hardware after
christmas, that I know is supported... I will let you know what happens
then my friend...
O
On Wed Dec 18 04:48:29 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
> i'm getting an error code 87 writing usbdisk to my key:
>
> according to the web: The second fix prevents USB Image Tool from
> restoring invalid images in device mode. A valid device mode image
> has to be multiple of 512. If
GreenArrays rocks. I still have no idea what to with all the cores. I've
found that writing a go package that generates fun forth is fun.
brucee
On 17/12/2013 11:32 AM, "Jeff Sickel" wrote:
>
> On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Tristan <9p...@imu.li> wrote:
>
> > and then there's chuck moore.
>
> I’m
On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Tristan <9p...@imu.li> wrote:
> and then there's chuck moore.
I’m still rooting for GreenArrays as there are a few projects
where they chips would actually do well. But now that they’re
accepting bitcoin, who knows, who knows.
-jas
On Dec 16, 2013, at 16:47 , Blake McBride wrote:
> All that is false when you take into account 9Front and 9Atom.
I run and highly recommend 9atom, but what you'd said is false even
just taking into account the mainline distribution from Bell Labs. It is
updated regularly, but via internal work
Quoting Blake McBride :
From what I saw, the code hadn't changed in a long time, and
wouldn't boot in any environment I had.
You are not a statistical universe.
I now have 9Front running fine, and, in
fact, I am renewing a port of an OO language extension to it.
We already have python, unf
I apologize for that statement. I made it before I knew of 9Front and
9Atom. From what I saw, the code hadn't changed in a long time, and
wouldn't boot in any environment I had. All that is false when you take
into account 9Front and 9Atom. I now have 9Front running fine, and, in
fact, I am ren
On 2013-12-15 18:05 , Blake McBride wrote:
> In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that
> Plan-9 has no real future.
I would not agree about that. If you would try to have a look at coming
future tendencies, you would be notified that there is coming what is
now named as "int
On 16 December 2013 19:51, tyrrell t wrote:
> compile limbo code with GCC
gcc? clang, surely!
Well if you can't compile limbo code with GCC, then hey, the idea is the
immortal virus.
> From: dav...@pobox.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:54:12 +1000
> To: 9fans@9fans.net
> CC: dav...@pobox.com
> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9
>
> On 24/10/2013, at 5:57 P
On 24/10/2013, at 5:57 PM, Keith wrote:
> Who here remembers/knows of the vision for the apple newton? The iPad
> realized it when the technology was able and the time was right. Who is to
> say the same couldn't be said for 9?
I suspect that Plan9ers will be as disappointed as Newtonians at th
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Bence Fábián wrote:
>
> This whole discussion has devolved into all the exact same discussions
> when someone comes to save us from ourselves.
> If you are too lazy to look into the archives at least read this:
> http://jfloren.net/b/2012/4/27/0
>
>
Yes, that sure
> plan 9 is sane enough that one person can maintain it for their own use.
> given the state of other systems that probably doesn't appear possible.
>
> that's probably the most important idea that i've taken from plan 9.
+1.
- erik
> Suffice it to say that without a critical mass of users, Bell Labs
> and/or Alcatel-Lucent will drop it, it will experience insufficient
> support from the user base at large, and it will suffer bit-rot until
> it won't boot anywhere anymore.
plan 9 is sane enough that one person can maintain it
On 12/15/2013 4:17 PM, Blake McBride wrote:
This whole discussion has devolved into a political left vs. right like
debate. Suffice it to say that without a critical mass of users, Bell
Labs and/or Alcatel-Lucent will drop it, it will experience insufficient
support from the user base at large,
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Lee Fallat wrote:
> ...Tell that to the people who are maintaining 9front and 9atom.
>
>
I wasn't aware of those two. Thanks!
Quoting Blake McBride :
This whole discussion has devolved into a political left vs. right like
debate. Suffice it to say that without a critical mass of users, Bell Labs
and/or Alcatel-Lucent will drop it, it will experience insufficient support
from the user base at large, and it will suffer
...Tell that to the people who are maintaining 9front and 9atom.
Oh wait, you just did.
My personal opinion: Plan 9 in its forked form will continue to be
used and worked for a long time. Hell, there are people still using
Amigas for "serious" computing! I too many times thinking about
bringing P
Schooling Erik on this list is priceless. Such entertainment.
Well if it dies it dies. It wasn't a bad run. Plan 9 has been around longer
than Linux. But now that we have failed to heed your warning. Woe us.
This whole discussion has devolved into all the exact same discussions when
someone comes
This whole discussion has devolved into a political left vs. right like
debate. Suffice it to say that without a critical mass of users, Bell Labs
and/or Alcatel-Lucent will drop it, it will experience insufficient support
from the user base at large, and it will suffer bit-rot until it won't boot
Ok. Make wonders, then demo them next year on iwp9.
2013/12/15 Oleg
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 09:43:27PM +0100, Bence F??bi??n wrote:
> > > Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces,
> >
> > Have you tried using *CLONE_NEWNS* in Linux? I did. It's a joke.
>
> I didn't say that this
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 09:43:27PM +0100, Bence F??bi??n wrote:
> > Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces,
>
> Have you tried using *CLONE_NEWNS* in Linux? I did. It's a joke.
I didn't say that this things are implemented well :-). I just say that
linux has good things in directio
Quoting Blake McBride :
All of this talk sound like someone saying: imagine the hurdles of sending
a man to the moon. how can man fly when his weight to strength ratio
is so poor
The only limit is ones imagination and creativity.
Blake
No. Lack of training, an inability to learn
> Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces,
Have you tried using *CLONE_NEWNS* in Linux? I did. It's a joke.
You need to have *CAP_SYS_ADMIN.* And you need to hack back Constants what
has since have been missing from headers. You need to allocate your stack.
Backwards! It's not even f
> I, respectfully, disagree. The end purpose of any OS, platform, or program
> is to perform some sort of function. That end function is called an app.
the distinction between the os an application is illusionary. redefineing terms
a little bit doesn't clear anything up.
what an os allows one
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 01:13:38PM -0600, Blake McBride wrote:
> All of this talk sound like someone saying: imagine the hurdles of sending
> a man to the moon. how can man fly when his weight to strength ratio
> is so poor
No. This sounds like: why do much of useless work?
To not lose
> "major piece among many" can be more precisely stated as "many pieces among
> many in order for the platform to achieve a critical mass of users".
the metaphor "critical mass" is really tiresome one. it does not apply
to operating systems. if one person finds the os useful, then that's enough.
"major piece among many" can be more precisely stated as "many pieces among
many in order for the platform to achieve a critical mass of users".
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Steve Simon wrote:
> But this is just one major piece among many.
>
> Perhaps for you but not for me, the only thing
But this is just one major piece among many.
Perhaps for you but not for me, the only thing is really missi s a browser.
Very occasuinally I need to edit word documents but this is rare
enough that I don't really care.
-Steve
Linux, android, Windows, and iOS all reached a critical mass in terms of
programmer and end-user apps in order to survive. Plan-9 did not. A
quality web browser on Plan-9 is critical to its usefullness by many. But
this is just one major piece among many.
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Steve
I have no desire to develope c++ code on plan9 but if there was a simple way to
cross compile c++ applications for plan9 that would be great - firefox being
the obvious one.
This has been done to death, and the closest we ever came to it (IMHO) was
cinap's linuxemu - this allowed you to run the li
All of this talk sound like someone saying: imagine the hurdles of sending
a man to the moon. how can man fly when his weight to strength ratio
is so poor
The only limit is ones imagination and creativity.
Blake
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Oleg wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 a
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:05:53AM -0600, Blake McBride wrote:
> In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that Plan-9 has
> no real future. On the other hand, I believe that some of the best ideas
> Plan-9 brings us can and should be a part of the future. I think the best,
> mo
Couldn't agree more.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Keith wrote:
> Who here remembers/knows of the vision for the apple newton? The iPad
> realized it when the technology was able and the time was right. Who is to
> say the same couldn't be said for 9?
Okay. Got it.
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Bence Fábián wrote:
> Bottomline is this: People would never use software like that. The ones
> who do are already familiar with Plan 9 and weighted pros and cons years
> ago. 99,9% of the potential users are already on this mailing list and
> wa
Who here remembers/knows of the vision for the apple newton? The iPad realized
it when the technology was able and the time was right. Who is to say the same
couldn't be said for 9?
Bottomline is this: People would never use software like that. The ones who
do are already familiar with Plan 9 and weighted pros and cons years ago.
99,9% of the potential users are already on this mailing list and watched
this exact same exchange a dozen times.
2013/12/15 Blake McBride
> I, r
I, respectfully, disagree. The end purpose of any OS, platform, or program
is to perform some sort of function. That end function is called an app.
An app can be targeted at a programmer or a dumb user. The underlying
environment (including tools) determines the available facilities a
programmer
If bringing Plan 9 to the masses will bring forth stuff like C++ and Java,
I will fight against it till my dying breath.
Jokes aside. People don't want to use computers. People want to use apps.
Noone will like Plan 9. Where you have to read manuals. They hate that. If
you like Plan 9, and there's
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 AM, trebol wrote:
> . The lack of a
> web browser capable of deal with today's madness and the portability
> limitation of ape (at least for a ignorant like me) forcesme to deal
> with other OS I have to install and maintaining, so the simplicity and
> cleanness
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