Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> Sorry, I meant structured like the files in net. So, the uart could > instead by structured as: > > eia/ > 0/ >ctl data status > 1/ >ctl data status usb serial does this, but unfortunately with a different naming convention, and it's unfortunate since usb serial is then

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-30 Thread rbnsw-plan9
--- On Tue, 28/6/11, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Speaking of device numbers, I was surprised that Plan 9 has a similar >> notion.  However, they are only useful with kernel resident device >> numbers.  Does Plan 9 have some other mechanism that allow one to >> identify the class of device/file ser

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-30 Thread Yaroslav
> also, the `protocol' of creating new /dev/pts/* is somewhat sensible, too. no > ioctl(), just open /dev/pmtx, read a textual representation of an integer N > and open /dev/pts/N. nah, slave name is obtained with ptsname(master) which does ioctl(TIOCGPTN) on Linux. ... open("/dev/ptmx", O_RDWR|O

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread dexen deVries
On Monday 27 June 2011 22:17:49 erik quanstrom wrote: > > It's worth mentioning the devpts (the /dev/pts/* thingies) > > not unless it's 1978. :-) oy, i was unclear. the main point: (in current linux) you can have several instances of devpts, by mounting them at various places (with -o newin

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> It's worth mentioning the devpts (the /dev/pts/* thingies) not unless it's 1978. :-) - erik

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread dexen deVries
On Monday 27 June 2011 20:18:05 Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > The essence of being a 9fan: It is more important to be right than to > be popular. The essence of being popular on 9fans: being more right than popular elsewhere ;-) On Monday 27 June 2011 19:20:57 ron minnich wrote: > (...stuff...) on

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread Richard Miller
ron minnich : > I used to think 10 years was a hugely long time to get > changes into the world, now I'm thinking 10 years is remarkably quick, > and 20 is more the rule, unless you hit the right idea at just the > right time. Which means each of us has maybe 4 chances in life to > really push a ch

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
The essence of being a 9fan: It is more important to be right than to be popular. (although it would be nice to eventually be popular -- preferably during one's lifetime) -Skip On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Jeff Sickel wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:20 PM, ron minnich wrote: > >> Which me

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:20 PM, ron minnich wrote: > Which means each of us has maybe 4 chances in life to > really push a change into the world. There, I just made your day. Great, missed every one of those chances. Might as well throw in the towel, stop resisting the inevitable, and chuck any h

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> Speaking of device numbers, I was surprised that Plan 9 has a similar > notion. However, they are only useful with kernel resident device > numbers. Does Plan 9 have some other mechanism that allow one to > identify the class of device/file server it belongs to? > > In most cases, a name is go

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread ron minnich
NFS4 on linux has gone with (in addition to everything else) a very plan 9-like "write commands to files" model that uses text. It's complex as you can ever imagine, and then some, but at least they seem to have finally got the idea right to some extent. The new 802.11 wireless infrastructure, I a

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-27 Thread rbnsw-plan9
--- On Wed, 22/6/11, David Lukes wrote: >... > I'm no RFS guru, thank deity, but I did RTFC once and "F" > was apposite. It took me a little time to figure out RTFC wasn't a remote file system ;-) > > ioctl was handled by having the client "know" exactly what > each ioctl "looked like", i.e. it

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
>ioctl was handled by having the client "know" exactly what each ioctl "looked >like", i.e. it only worked for known cases. there isn't really any other choice, especially between machines with different conventions. i think it was one of the bigger parts of the newcastle connection implementatio

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-21 Thread dave . l
> Thanks for the info, but the devices encumbered with ioctls are the tricky > ones and even if they can be sorted out I'm sure there are some other traps > out there. Too bad there are no RFS gurus lurking here to offer their wisdom > on remoting devices. I'm no RFS guru, thank deity, but I di

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-21 Thread rbnsw-plan9
--- On Tue, 21/6/11, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: ... >> Um, does v9fs remote Linux devices? I find it hard to >> imagine it would remote ioctls but it makes sense *nix to >> *nix. >> > > Depends on how you configure it.  There is a nodevmap > option to the v9fs mount which will instruct it to jus

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-21 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:26 PM, wrote: > > --- On Wed, 8/6/11, I wrote in part: > >> I am old enough to remember RFS the Remote File Sharing >> Protocol on SVR4 that offered access to remote devices, but >> I don't have that and I'm not aware of whether there are any >> distributed file  protoco

[9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-11 Thread rbnsw-plan9
--- On Wed, 8/6/11, I wrote in part: > I am old enough to remember RFS the Remote File Sharing > Protocol on SVR4 that offered access to remote devices, but > I don't have that and I'm not aware of whether there are any > distributed file  protocols freely available for *nix > that do that. Um,