[9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Something I miss in 9front is the 'boot menu' functionality 9labs had in plan9.ini. Being able to fall back to an alternative config was a godsend when debugging fileserver setups. I'm curious why that was removed from the 9front bootstrap code. --lyndon

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Nick Owens
there's always the GRand Unified Bootloader. On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:16 PM Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > Something I miss in 9front is the 'boot menu' functionality 9labs > had in plan9.ini. Being able to fall back to an alternative config > was a godsend when debugging fileserver setups. I'm c

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
the bootloader has a console where you can change any plan9.ini parameter, including bootfile=. read 9boot(8). if you really want menus in the bootloader, you can also load the kernel directly with some other multiboot capable bootloader. or you start the kernel from another kernel using the rebo

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
cinap_len...@felloff.net writes: > the bootloader has a console where you can change any > plan9.ini parameter, including bootfile=. read 9boot(8). I described this badly. Let me try again. Given a working fileserver config, I want something that does 'user=foo; nobootpromt=bar', but with a (say)

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
> Given a working fileserver config, I want something that does > 'user=foo; nobootpromt=bar', but with a (say) five second timeout. > This is different from the current scheme that provides an escape, > but which requires manual intervention. What I'm looking for is a > timed-out option from the

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> err... thats precisely how it works. the ONLY difference is that the > timeout is hardcoded to ONE second see: /sys/src/boot/pc/sub.c:304 ONE second, eh? I need to become much younger again ;-)

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
cinap_len...@felloff.net writes: > err... thats precisely how it works. the ONLY difference is that the > timeout is hardcoded to ONE second see: /sys/src/boot/pc/sub.c:304 Fine, but a ONE second timeout is insane. And it's NOT at all clearly documented in the 9boot(8) manpage. How about a FOUR

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 05:33:07PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > How about a FOUR second timeout, and some manpage patches? > I object to quadrupling the timeout. I am old and my eyesight sucks and one second is perfectly sane. khm

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> I object to quadrupling the timeout. I am old and my eyesight sucks and > one second is perfectly sane. Shut the refrigerator door! You're running up long distance charges!!!

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread hiro
it doesn't matter how old you are cause you need no low reaction time here, you can just start mashing a key multiple times per second, starting slightly earlier than the prompts would appear

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread hiro
hell. i have to do *exactly* the same with same dimension of timeouts slightly earlier for my bios to be allowed to select my boot disk, too. it's a totally common mechanism. windows bootloader also always had that behavior for their recovery/boot menus, just that you have to be more careful actua

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
yes, patches are welcome. if you prefer longer timeout, you know what code to change now. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-20 Thread Ethan Gardener
9front boots via an initrd with a script, doesn't it? That script could be modified to present a menu/prompt, perhaps only if a certain variable is set in plan9.ini. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019, at 2:42 AM, hiro wrote: > hell. i have to do *exactly* the same with same dimension of timeouts > slightly

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-20 Thread hiro
if you know how to get into your system's bios you should be able to use the same technique to get to our prompt... i like that 9front has no silly menu

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/21/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i like that 9front has no silly menu > And that says it all. De gustibus... To me, that seems a lot like farting against thunder, but I have yet to find a timeout/countdown that I can latch onto. But less than three seconds means that any distraction

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-21 Thread hiro
there's a whole operating system to play with, and all you are busy with is complaining that 9front doesn't have a grub theme. i will repeat cinap here, cause it seems like realizes there are real solutions provided: > or you start the kernel from another kernel using the > reboot!kernelpath!metho

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-21 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/21/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > there's a whole operating system to play with, and all you are busy > with is complaining that 9front doesn't have a grub theme. > Now, having vented my spleen and deleted it (twice, now), let me just say: Really?! Lucio.

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-21 Thread hiro
thanks for letting us take part in your spleen. very much appreciated. really!