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2009-10-27 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 05:00:53PM -0700, ron minnich wrote: nebula.nasa.gov Well, at least the name makes sense for a french since in french nebula means too: hazy. Computer in the air. Fuzzy logic, and impalpable results (except for disasters which will be very palpable). -- Thierry Laronde

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2009-10-27 Thread lucio
Well, at least the name makes sense for a french since in french nebula means too: hazy. Computer in the air. Fuzzy logic, and impalpable results Nebulous, indeed. ++L

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2009-10-27 Thread Eris Discordia
I was curious (not that I had any hope of understanding what's going on) so I visited the place. I got this: HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:58:31 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.11 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-0.1+b1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_python 3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_wsgi/2.3

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2009-10-27 Thread Wes Kussmaul
ron minnich wrote: How is it that companies that want you to buy their IT expertise outsource their own? It makes no sense. Equally true story. We used to run our own servers. A (name withheld) sysadmin always felt he knew better than management how servers should be configured and managed

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2009-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
Equally true story. We used to run our own servers. A (name withheld) sysadmin always felt he knew better than management how servers should be configured and managed even when in fact he did not. So we went to Rackspace, where we are treated as customers and where sysadmins manage the

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2009-10-27 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Wes Kussmaul w...@authentrus.com wrote: ron minnich wrote: How is it that companies that want you to buy their IT expertise outsource their own? It makes no sense. Equally true story. We used to run our own servers. A (name withheld) sysadmin always felt

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2009-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
I mean, say your company has 25 satellite offices... why should they all have to do redundant work to update all the systems across the board. Isn't the repetition going to cause a higher chance of someone missing something? absent the plan 9 terminal model, who updates users' machines? -

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2009-10-27 Thread ron minnich
Equally true story. We used to run our own servers. A (name withheld) sysadmin always felt he knew better than management how servers should be configured and managed even when in fact he did not. So we went to Rackspace, where we are treated as customers and where sysadmins manage the

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2009-10-27 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:33 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: I mean, say your company has 25 satellite offices... why should they all have to do redundant work to update all the systems across the board. Isn't the repetition going to cause a higher chance of someone missing

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2009-10-27 Thread Wes Kussmaul
ron minnich wrote: The poster of this one has kind of missed the point. How would he feel if Rackspace outsourced their IT? Hit the first point, missed the second, batting .500 Poster Boy

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2009-10-27 Thread Wes Kussmaul
erik quanstrom wrote: Equally true story. We used to run our own servers. A (name withheld) sysadmin always felt he knew better than management how servers should be configured and managed even when in fact he did not. So we went to Rackspace, where we are treated as customers and where

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2009-10-27 Thread Sam Watkins
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 08:49:41PM -0700, ron minnich wrote: How is it that companies that want you to buy their IT expertise outsource their own? It makes no sense. It makes perfect sense - sell poor service+brand at high price, buy good service at low price. Sam

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2009-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
There is a lot of residual management doesn't understand networks and databases and operating systems so we will make decisions for them attitude out there, even where the reality of management's background has changed. While it's true that cloud computing is a nonsense phrase, there are

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2009-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
There is a lot of residual management doesn't understand networks and databases and operating systems so we will make decisions for them attitude out there, even where the reality of management's background has changed. While it's true that cloud computing is a nonsense phrase, there

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2009-10-27 Thread Wes Kussmaul
erik quanstrom wrote: There is a lot of residual management doesn't understand networks and databases and operating systems so we will make decisions for them attitude out there, even where the reality of management's background has changed. While it's true that cloud computing is a nonsense

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2009-10-27 Thread Wes Kussmaul
And in closing let me cite an esteemed colleague's recent announcement: Version 6.0 is a very important release. It streamlines the branding of product line... --David Day, CTO at Zeus Technology

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2009-10-26 Thread ron minnich
nebula.nasa.gov and see what you see ron

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2009-10-26 Thread Jacob Todd
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 05:00:53PM -0700, ron minnich wrote: nebula.nasa.gov and see what you see ron I see some buzz-words. Couldn't find anything about Plan {9,b}/Inferno/Octopus. -- Jake Todd // If it isn't broke, tweak it! pgpMB1JqkhiFb.pgp Description: PGP signature

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2009-10-26 Thread Joseph Stewart
Ron, I'm a noob and a naive. Tell me what I'm missing here... -joe On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:00 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: nebula.nasa.gov and see what you see ron

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2009-10-26 Thread dave . l
I see that I wasted about 3 minutes of my life. On 27 Oct 2009, at 00:00, ron minnich wrote: nebula.nasa.gov and see what you see ron

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2009-10-26 Thread Geoffrey Avila
I see FOUR lights!! I see that NASA has enough funding to sell itself as a supplier of IT services of last resort. At least, I think that's what it says, given that the encrustation of B-School logorrhea on that site is making me dizzy.* I'm interested in what their terms of service might be.

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2009-10-26 Thread Jeff Sickel
From what I see... it doesn't have any acronyms that: 1) end in an 'I' 2) begin with an 'I' 3) have the word 'intelligent' in a descriptor Though I am a bit worried about the choice of AIX as the replacement for Mae West. Wait! I'm wrong. In the services section there is 'IaaS'.

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2009-10-26 Thread Latchesar Ionkov
Did anybody come up with cloud management software called Zeus or Jupiter yet? On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: nebula.nasa.gov and see what you see ron

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2009-10-26 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net wrote: Did anybody come up with cloud management software called Zeus or Jupiter yet? interesting. I got arg. you broke it. and you guys got the web page and I just did. And, yes, it's another !@@#$! cloud. But why is USG

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2009-10-26 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Clouds, Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Put All My Computing Where It Don't Belong. I admit to a certain amount of glee seeing the news about major outages of cloud services appear with predictable regularity: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/cloud_storage_concerns/ for example.

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2009-10-26 Thread ron minnich
How about: Clouds: how we reinvented the time sharing bureau, which we all hated, back in the day, and replaced with our own computers, and recreated the time sharing bureau in our own company, and hated it, and now our management has decided they hate us and want to fire our IT people and trust

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2009-10-26 Thread ron minnich
true story: some ex-(name withheld) people were telling me they loved their (name withheld) IT guys. Then (name withheld), for its own reasons, decided to outsource their IT people. You'd recognize (name withheld); it's one of the biggest computer companies out there. They also like to sell their

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2009-10-26 Thread W B Hacker
ron minnich wrote: How about: Clouds: how we reinvented the time sharing bureau, which we all hated, back in the day, and replaced with our own computers, and recreated the time sharing bureau in our own company, and hated it, and now our management has decided they hate us and want to fire our

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2009-10-26 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
nebula.nasa.gov After an extensive trade study, we selected Django, a python-based web application framework, as the first and primary application environment for the Nebula Cloud. probably not the sharpest knives in the nasa kitchen.