Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 21:34 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > > if the user hovers mouse over widget area, it would be understood as > intention to activate widgets, > > > > eeek! > Am I the only one who doesn't like this idea? > You're definitely not the only one. OK, devil's advocacy h

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:15:27 +0200 "Peter A. Cejchan" wrote: > > MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating > margins? Do they actually never try to read anything using > > i'm not a comp nerd, rathe a biologist, however, and therefore, i like > simple, yet working

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:45:38 -0400 Anthony Sorace wrote: > On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:16, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > > > Isn't this a perfect case for letting the user set a parameter, > > depending upon his/her preference? > > No. The choice is between two very different user interaction models. Nobod

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:51 -0500 Jack Norton wrote: > dexen deVries wrote: > > > if the user hovers mouse over widget area, it would be understood as > > intention to activate widgets, triggering their visibility. > > > >... > > in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turn

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On Thursday 14 July 2011 19:12:23 Yaroslav wrote: > do we really need screens? lets move everything into our imagination. > all we need is to get a draw(3) interface to it... can't wait till the first person gets ghosthacked [1], eh? nb., PostScript is turing-complete, if lacking a bit on the I/O

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do we really need screens? lets move everything into our imagination. all we need is to get a draw(3) interface to it...

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On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:16, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > Isn't this a perfect case for letting the user set a parameter, > depending upon his/her preference? No. The choice is between two very different user interaction models. Nobody has claimed that having widgets filling what would otherwise be marg

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On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 08:43 -0500, Jack Norton wrote: > dexen deVries wrote: > >... > > in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into > > margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets. > > > > eeek! > Am I the only one who doesn't like this idea? I cannot stand programs

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dexen deVries wrote: if the user hovers mouse over widget area, it would be understood as intention to activate widgets, triggering their visibility. ... in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets. eeek! Am I the on

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Hey, if you want margins you need them. Ever done a patent application? Humans who call me a nerd are subject to ritualistic humiliation. brucee On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > > >> MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating >> margins? Do

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> MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating margins? Do they actually never try to read anything using i'm not a comp nerd, rathe a biologist, however, and therefore, i like simple, yet working designs how do you use margins? > The whole setup ... is pleasant

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I mentioned Hiki (Human Interface Kit Interface) in Seattle. Some others have extended draw (like fgb - anti aliasing with area coverage - under my humble mentoring). Hiki will be ready to run when I get back from adventure. It optionally has other convolutions - Catmull and Sinc look much better.

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> in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets. yes!! i agree 100% last night i couldn't sleep for a while, so i tried to imagine acme as a whole screen ui, w/o any taglines, ctrl-boxes, and sliders... however, i ran into p

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This goes in with all those Ayn Rand novels I never read. All of them. ak On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:

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Ethan got me thinking there :-) consider a window consisting of text area and some widgets around it. instead of making the widgets as small as possible, render as margins when not needed. most, or all, window's widgets would be rendered as solid background color (functionally margins) when use

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:31:04 +0200 dexen deVries wrote: > On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 15:40:19 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:16 +0200 > > dexen deVries wrote: > > ((ramblings)) > > > > I _sincerely_ hope you are trolling. :D Otherwise, in all seriousness, have > > you

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 15:40:19 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:16 +0200 > dexen deVries wrote: > ((ramblings)) > > I _sincerely_ hope you are trolling. :D Otherwise, in all seriousness, have > you no brain at all? You are seriously scaring me here. unfortunately all

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:16 +0200 dexen deVries wrote: > On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 14:18:06 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating > > margins? ((snip)) > > surely you're joking, mr. feynman? @_@ > or are you actually sitting on

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yy wrote: 2011/7/12 dexen deVries : on an unrelated note, it seems to me websites with large horizontal margins are synonymous with bullet-point engineering and little to no useful content. http://cm.bell-labs.com/plan9/ This made my morning, thank you. On a related note, I was taught i

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2011/7/12 dexen deVries : > on an unrelated note, it seems to me websites with large horizontal margins > are synonymous with bullet-point engineering and little to no useful content. > http://cm.bell-labs.com/plan9/ -- - yiyus || JGL .

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On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 14:18:06 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating > margins? ((snip)) surely you're joking, mr. feynman? @_@ or are you actually sitting on an ivory tower made of 10MPix displays? as long as we suffer the 1...

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MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating margins? Do they actually never try to read anything using the software they produce? OTHER than PDFs? I use a window manager with only 1-pixel side borders, and terminals with no scrollbar at all and margins reduced to vir

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> occupied by WIMP controls. Tasteless. sorry, i had just the slider idea on my mind, sending a better img: http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/slider.png still tasateless? > PS: Gestures requires no controls. i didn't get it:

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Personally I find that interface awful. One third of the place occupied by WIMP controls. Tasteless. PS: Gestures requires no controls. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > hi, folks, > > please, look at this: > http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png,

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> you can hide all-but-one taglines with right- (rathre than middle-) click > on > tagline's `layout box' (the square to the left) > > > yes, i know, and i am aware also of the two-column method that andrey suggested above; however, a wide screen (1980) would then be nice... for now, i drag all but

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Peter, take a look at the scrdump.c program at http://mirtchovski.com/p9/xscr/ -- it takes a snapshot of the screen, resizes it and places it somewhere on that same screen. It can easily be modified to take snapshots of windows and place them in other windows. It's not far from being a "preview".

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On Monday 11 July 2011 19:21:16 Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > sorry, i dont understand. if i have >20 files open in acme (yes, i'm > silly), and i want to see just two of them at once, my screen is spoilt by > useless taglines (...) you can hide all-but-one taglines with right- (rathre than middle-) c

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sorry, i dont understand. if i have >20 files open in acme (yes, i'm silly), and i want to see just two of them at once, my screen is spoilt by useless taglines, saying all the time all the same: Cut Paste Snarf Look etc dont you perceive it as sucking?? I do this all the time. Make two col

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > sorry, i dont understand. if i have >20 files open in acme (yes, i'm silly), > and i want to see just two of them at once, my screen is spoilt by useless > taglines, saying all the time all the same: Cut Paste Snarf Look etc > dont yo

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sorry, i dont understand. if i have >20 files open in acme (yes, i'm silly), and i want to see just two of them at once, my screen is spoilt by useless taglines, saying all the time all the same: Cut Paste Snarf Look etc dont you perceive it as sucking?? ++pac > > No. your editor window would

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On Jul 11, 2011 12:14 PM, "Peter A. Cejchan" wrote >however, my point was another: aint you annoyed by needless things that just consume your pixels?? can't it all be done more efficiently?? even if the win borders were 1px wide, wont it be more elegant at least? and why should acme's tagline (s) c

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> http://cgi.ebay.com/-/200629133201 you're joking, aint you?? $1,100 for this... [you obviously have no idea about our salaries here, the former(?) East ;-) ...] and what about the 9-compatible video card capable of serving this?? however, my point was

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On Monday 11 of July 2011 17:35:46 Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > > for my >100MB photographs (acquired via scanner, of course) i just can't > buy more pixels, at least in my lifetime :-( you can get a 9MPix LCD display (IBM T221) at reasonable price: http://cgi.ebay.com/-/200629133201 -- dexen deVr

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ah, page, yes!! if only we could have editable menus (i mean something like an acme tagline) ... there's a strange ambiguity: acme-style, or rio-style On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:21 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > You know page, right? > acme window borders are also not active. Instea

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please, be more verbous... i personally like everything that saves my pixels dedicated to anotherb job, but i may be wrong, and it is only IMHO, as usually... i spent much time also by thinking how to get rid of acme's tag lines (i love acme so much, indeed) however, i was not able to conceive anyt

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And if stuff is still active what can you use the pixels for besides stupid wallpapers.

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You know page, right? acme window borders are also not active. Instead we have that little box at the top to change size. I think it's ok for them to adapt plan9 ideas. But I always hated the feel of stuff popping up somewhere at random. I'd rather buy more pixels.

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I don't like it, but it's just my humble opinion :) On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > hi, folks, > > please, look at this: > http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png, and share > your opinion; > the main thing is the right-hand side with the slider >

[9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

hi, folks, please, look at this: http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png, and share your opinion; the main thing is the right-hand side with the slider and let's talk about this screen-pixels-saving idea the window borders are thin, but still active, mainly from outside of the