Re: [9fans] stubbing

2005-10-08 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Sorry, that was a bit shrill.

Re: [9fans] stubbing

2005-10-08 Thread erik quanstrom
dudes, you went from a little spam to terrorists. i think you may need a perspecitive check. - erik Wes Kussmaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes | | Dave Lukes wrote: | | Global warming? Look closely at what Brian Hancock did with an Inferno | grid at Rutgers. Think about that as a real workplace

Re: [9fans] stubbing

2005-10-08 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Dave Lukes wrote: If we don't solve the current problems we'll drown before we have a chance to solve the future problems. Solve the current problems with what? Firewalls? Intrusion detection systems and whitelists and blacklists? Hey, the ship is going down and we are drowning. Shall we ign

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread Russ Cox
> | I still believe the chording code that's ifdef'ed out of the > | plan9port version can be made to work. > > is there any particular senerio that causes a problem; i'd be > willing to take a stab at this. rob just played with it for a while and got it to break. of course, the current code doesn

Re: [9fans] stubbing

2005-10-08 Thread Dave Lukes
Oh, there's that troublesome word "current" again... If we don't solve the current problems we'll drown before we have a chance to solve the future problems. Look at it this way. If you have kids, spam will be the least of their online problems if we don't do something. If I have kids, onl

Re: [9fans] stubbing

2005-10-08 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Dave Lukes wrote: ... and this helps my current spam problem how? Oh, there's that troublesome word "current" again... Look at it this way. If you have kids, spam will be the least of their online problems if we don't do something. Wes -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Stree

Re: [9fans] stubbing

2005-10-08 Thread Dave Lukes
Evidence to the contrary: Premise: A reliable, large-scale, deployable PKI with reliable identity credentials that fortify rather than erode privacy will solve most of the spam problem. ... and this helps my current spam problem how? DaveL

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread erik quanstrom
another difference is that double-left doesn't select until b1 is released with samterm. Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes | I still believe the chording code that's ifdef'ed out of the | plan9port version can be made to work. |

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread erik quanstrom
Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes | The die hard sam users would disagree vehemently with you. | The nice thing about sam is that it's one window, not many, | making it comfortable to edit a 30-file project without getting | caught up in managing windows. back when i was doing distributed se

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
>>Sort-of-seriously, Sam's clothing is starting to wear a bit. i was going to suggest that perhaps it was X11 that could do with a rethink! that never seems to me to have changed much since i first saw it. of course, like an ageing star it has certainly had periodic face lifts, but it still feels

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread Russ Cox
Go ahead, go nuts. But you'll end up with a new program, not sam. If you're good, you should be able to leave sam unaltered and just replace samterm. > 1) X-conscientious-Sam doesn't need its own >window system (with mux policies); the >window manager can all do this (allowing

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Russ Cox
There's no need to use Plan 9's patch(1) if you're working on Unix. You can just post or mail me the output of cvs diff -u. I update the two in sync. Also, for everyone, please don't knee-jerk drop new versions of programs in sources/contrib as Uriel suggests. If you make a change that doesn't m

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread Steve Simon
Click to type is a concept that starts religious wars. Howver rio (and 8½) are use it, to change sam would mean plan9 would have mixture of modalaties. Changing X sam only would mean switching between Unix and sam would become painfull. A mouse chording cut and paste interface exists, I saved the

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Paul Lalonde
Crap - Sorry about the tarball - I have to learn to read the generated To line on reply vs reply-to-all, which in both cases defaults to the list, not the sender. Paul On 8-Oct-05, at 6:44 AM, Paul Lalonde wrote: Uriel - regarding the patch, can you help me? I've attached my tarball, it sh

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Paul Lalonde
On 8-Oct-05, at 6:33 AM, Uriel wrote: I agree, but still I'm unsure \n should be accepted in the tag just making the text flow into the following line when it doesn't fit in the current one should be enough... but I can't think of any strong reason to avoid \n except simplicity as things li

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 06:19:38AM -0700, Paul Lalonde wrote: > Ah - I forgot to mention; ever since my shuttle turned into an > unresponsive pile of silicon, I've been working in plan9port under OS > X; patch doesn't exist there :-( Oh, well, that still should let you upload stuff to a sources

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Paul Lalonde
On 8-Oct-05, at 5:46 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: can this work with a 3-button mouse, too? I'd like it to, but I was unable to find an interaction that didn't break the current behaviour: the obvious thing is to manipulate the window button. The second most obvious thing is to add TagExpand

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Paul Lalonde
On 8-Oct-05, at 2:06 AM, Uriel wrote Very cool; please, could you put it in sources/contrib? See: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/How_to_contribute/ Ah - I forgot to mention; ever since my shuttle turned into an unresponsive pile of silicon, I've been working in plan9port under OS X;

Re: [9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread Uriel
I think that one of the nice things about sam is that it works identically on all systems. For everything else, there this acme and p9p uriel On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 05:44:44AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (Just read that comp.os.plan9 isn't working, so I'm reposting here on 9fans.) > > >

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread erik quanstrom
this sounds great. often i can't Put files in the rh column because Put gets cropped. even with acme covering the whole width of the screen. can this work with a 3-button mouse, too? i disagree with Uriel. to paraphrase feynman, why should you care how other people "abuse" acme. it's hard to typ

[9fans] Sam Rewrite (Was: SAM snarf with X)

2005-10-08 Thread yard-ape
(Just read that comp.os.plan9 isn't working, so I'm reposting here on 9fans.) > would it be utter sacrilege and or a complete waste of time > to add some acme features to samterm like: > > 1. sharing the snarf buffer with the window system. > 2. cording > > i've been thinking about this for a wh

Re: [9fans] Acme tag scrolling/expansion

2005-10-08 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 08:34:14PM -0700, Paul Lalonde wrote: > I have a working hack to acme that now lets me use the scroll wheel > to expand the tag to multiple lines and collapse it again. It seems > to have no nasty interactions with the feature set I use. Moving a > window into a slot