Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Federico Benavento
Hola, He is? Shucks; that's a shame. He was amusing in a village-idiot sort everyone has a role, what's yours? -- Federico G. Benavento

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Good morning. Am Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:40:40 -0700 schrieb "David Leimbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I just get REALLY tired, as I'm sure many people do, when you go to > read something reviewing an OS that you know about, just to see what > the reactions are going to be, and find it full of errors.

[9fans] Benavento is a law student!

2006-07-23 Thread tom
Hello, > Federico G. Benavento (a law student who uses Plan 9 every day) I'm a lawyer. I love Plan 9. I use Plan 9 by first preference whenever I understand Plan 9 enough to use it for the task at hand. That's not often, but it's getting very slowly better. I do prepare almost all of my le

Re: [9fans] Plan9 installation invading the other partitions?

2006-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
i never had any trouble with jfs/lvm on aix. i'd recommend that combination on linux, too. i actually use reiserfs/lvm on linux. i think the chief advantage is being able to avoid all but basic partitioning. fdisk is not your friend. do not trust it with your data. ☺ - erik On Sun Jul 23 19

Re: [9fans] Plan9 installation invading the other partitions?

2006-07-23 Thread Harri Haataja
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 01:51:44PM +0200, Lluís Batlle wrote: > 2006/7/21, Christian Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >I wouldn't blame Plan 9 for damaging another partition it shouldn't > >even touch. I'd blame ReiserFS. I heard several stories from friends > >and collegues who used ReiserFS about f

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread David Leimbach
On 7/23/06, Andrew Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, the LANL. Actually, I sent several emails to you, Andrey. But these bounced. I feel I made an honest, and earnest attempt to gather my facts re: Plan 9, but there is a serious amount of dead linkage one must wade through. Did you know

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread David Leimbach
On 7/23/06, Andrew Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I read with some interest the criticisms of my recent Plan 9 article on osnews. While I appreciate constuctive criticism and factual corrections (yes, it's Gforce not GeForce, yes there is an emacs) I think for the most part your criticisms are

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Dan Cross
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 06:24:10PM -0300, Federico G. Benavento wrote: > Maybe uriel could talk about it, but he's banned from the list. He is? Shucks; that's a shame. He was amusing in a village-idiot sort of way. - Dan C.

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Federico G. Benavento
Hola, > Here's a real issue that I don't think was ever adequately addressed > in any Plan 9 literature I ran across in my all-to-brief research. How > do you convey the deep concepts of Plan 9 to someone who doesn't have > 5+ years of large scale system admin experience, or a Master's degree > in

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
On 7/23/06, Andrew Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, the LANL. Actually, I sent several emails to you, Andrey. But these bounced. i was not at the lab for a significant period of time. i started back there in october. you can say that the plan 9 efforts there have never slowed down however

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread csant
files in /n/sources/contrib - how well does SDL work on Plan 9? Maybe uriel could talk about it, but he's banned from the list. Well, I do also receive e-mails off-list ;) I'd be curious to know how it works. /c

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Federico G. Benavento
Hola, > and adds a link to a screenshot called sdl.png. I see there are some SDL > files in /n/sources/contrib - how well does SDL work on Plan 9? Maybe uriel could talk about it, but he's banned from the list. Federico G. Benavento PS: no jokes in this mail.

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread csant
The article was meant as a brief exposure of Plan 9 for people who may have had little to no exposure to "alternative" operating systems and as such its point was not to delve deeply into issues. The intent was more to open a door to concepts that people without a computer science degree might not

[9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Andrew Hudson
Yes, the LANL. Actually, I sent several emails to you, Andrey. But these bounced. I feel I made an honest, and earnest attempt to gather my facts re: Plan 9, but there is a serious amount of dead linkage one must wade through. - Andrew

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Many of the Plan 9 web links are dead. The links to LLNL are dead and it's my impression that LLNL is no longer involved in Plan 9 efforts. Mail to some of the more visible Plan 9 proponents at LLNL went un-answered or bounced. Surely you mean LANL instead of LLNL, right? Whom did you email? Th

[9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread Andrew Hudson
I read with some interest the criticisms of my recent Plan 9 article on osnews. While I appreciate constuctive criticism and factual corrections (yes, it's Gforce not GeForce, yes there is an emacs) I think for the most part your criticisms are misguided. The article was meant as a brief exposure

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread csant
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/23/1228225&from=rss Somebody posts "In other news, SDL now works on Plan 9" and adds a link to a screenshot called sdl.png. I see there are some SDL files in /n/sources/contrib - how well does SDL work on Plan 9? /c

Re: [9fans] closeproc slow

2006-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
thanks. - erik

Re: [9fans] closeproc slow

2006-07-23 Thread Russ Cox
> do things happen differently if the process is not slain > but dies a natural death? yes. the closeprocs only come out when you run slay. their job is to close the file descriptors that the slain processes left behind. you have to do it in a different proc to avoid deadlocks in the general cas

Re: [9fans] closeproc slow

2006-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
that makes sense. do things happen differently if the process is not slain but dies a natural death? - erik On Sun Jul 23 10:32:39 CDT 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Your processes died a quick and painless death. > The closeproc helpers, called upon to clean up after > the battle, leave at a

Re: [9fans] closeproc slow

2006-07-23 Thread Russ Cox
Your processes died a quick and painless death. The closeproc helpers, called upon to clean up after the battle, leave at a rate of one per five seconds. I was trying to avoid repeatedly creating and deleting processes if someone is killing procs frequently. In that case, the right number of close

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread matt
erik quanstrom wrote: there is no such thing as a /. crowd your faith in it is misplaced or rather, some of us troll for glenda no it /does/ get better. the /. crowd understands that most reviews are clueless. (especially when posted to /..) one of the first comments was the emacs man page.

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
no it /does/ get better. the /. crowd understands that most reviews are clueless. (especially when posted to /..) one of the first comments was the emacs man page. - erik

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

2006-07-23 Thread LiteStar numnums
Wait, wait it gets better: now slashdot is covering this 'news' item too.Can't wait for the 'Plan9 is dead' comments to (t)roll inhttp://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/23/1228225&from=rss On 7/19/06, csant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15235"Plan 9 is similar

[9fans] closeproc slow

2006-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
i killed off some webfs processes that were lingering. it took the kernel about 5 second per process to reap them on an otherwise- unloaded system: ; while(sleep 5) ps|grep closeproc|wc 36 2522304 35 2452240 34 2382176 33 2312112 [...]