Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/15/06, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you want to do everything with the keyboard, you know where to find Emacs. This mail is a good summary of the mouse timing argument: http://9fans.net/archive/2002/04/313 When I'm doing a lot of typing and mouse motion at the same time, I typica

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:43 PM, I wrote: Where is the research data that backs the claim that navigating via the mouse is more efficient than navigating via the keyboard? I know my own experience says this is nonsense. My physical context switch time between the keyboard and mouse is at leas

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

If you want to do everything with the keyboard, you know where to find Emacs. This mail is a good summary of the mouse timing argument: http://9fans.net/archive/2002/04/313 When I'm doing a lot of typing and mouse motion at the same time, I typically just type with one hand and leave the other ha

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Where is the research data that backs the claim that navigating via the mouse is more efficient than navigating via the keyboard? I know my own experience says this is nonsense. My physical context switch time between the keyboard and mou

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: plus, are you really saying that if you don't want cursor keys, your just an old fortran programmer in plan 9 disguise? Don't tell me you've never written a FORTRAN program that calls into curses :-) Although that's not as bad as having to

Re: Re: [9fans] ether2114x - can't ping gateway

lucio meant that it's spelled "ipconfig"

Re: [9fans] ether2114x - can't ping gateway

On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 05:34:32AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > ip/ifconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether /net/ether0 192.168.0.6 255.255.255.0 > > This is a typo, how far back does it go? > sorry, that's not exactly what's in my termrc. I didn't include the if(...) and output redirecting part

Re: [9fans] ether2114x - can't ping gateway

> ip/ifconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether /net/ether0 192.168.0.6 255.255.255.0 This is a typo, how far back does it go? ++L

Re: [9fans] ether2114x - can't ping gateway

hola, my guess is that some interrupts are not being set up right if the card works in promiscuos mode and it doesn't the other way, it's because the card doesn't know its own mac address. but this is not your case, I would check what the linux driver does to see what we are not doing right. yes,

[9fans] ether2114x - can't ping gateway

Hello, I'm trying to get my network card working in plan9. It works fine in Linux, but in plan9 I can't ping anything except myself. I have this ipconfig line in my termrc (DHCP doesn't seem to work): ip/ifconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether /net/ether0 192.168.0.6 255.255.255.0 and pci -v say

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Days like this sure make me glad I read 9fans. Russ We need a UTF-8 encoding for sarcasm methinks.

Re: [9fans] edit -- a new acme(4) file

rdsel, wrsel, and editout are only for acme's own use when running external commands. Try opening a new window, highlight some text in it, and then run each of: |cat /proc/$pid/fd Edit |cat /proc/$pid/fd Russ

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Days like this sure make me glad I read 9fans. Russ

Re: [9fans] edit -- a new acme(4) file

On 11/14/06, Sascha Retzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A quick-and-dirty patch to acme that introduces 'edit', a new acme(4) > file, to which Edit commands can be written. [...] > > Comments welcome. *Arrr* I love it. Thanks :-) patch(1) :-D ? I haven't fully understood acme control files

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, maht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps you long for a line printer and ^j and ^k or have played too much nethack :) Using up arrow and down arrow to scroll is IMHO (eventually) a better plan. I don't see what's wrong with an interface that allows you to move forward or backwards

Re: [9fans] edit -- a new acme(4) file

Excuse me, What's 'Acme SAC'? Did I miss something? Is it a internet-acronym I never heared of? Acme SAC is Caerwyn's stand alone Acme, based on Inferno. http://www.caerwyn.com/acme http://code.google.com/p/acme-sac Quite useful when you are stuck in a Windows-only environment, like me. Arvin

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

some people consider elevator music "user friendly". i don't. it's not the notes, it's what you do with them. brucee On 11/15/06, csant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> shoenberg's "Style and Idea" is a good reference. >> he had lots of both, and knew how to distill them. >> none of his music had

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

might want to also checkout Russ' libtask (at swtch.com). another one is the implementation of the Thread, Sem and Chan interfaces in dave hanson's cii (http://www.cs.princeton.edu/software/cii/). chapter 20 has the gory details.

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

shoenberg's "Style and Idea" is a good reference. he had lots of both, and knew how to distill them. none of his music had ifdefs in it. ... but much of schoenberg's tone row based music is not exactly what one might be called ``user friendly''. ...and the "user" here would be the performing m

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

> shoenberg's "Style and Idea" is a good reference. > he had lots of both, and knew how to distill them. > none of his music had ifdefs in it. ... but much of schoenberg's tone row based music is not exactly what one might be called ``user friendly''.

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 But that's good style - if he changes the fundamental theme, he can fix it in just one place! On 14-Nov-06, at 11:14 AM, Sape Mullender wrote: shoenberg's "Style and Idea" is a good reference. he had lots of both, and knew how to distill them. n

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

> shoenberg's "Style and Idea" is a good reference. > he had lots of both, and knew how to distill them. > none of his music had ifdefs in it. But I discovered macro expansion in Rossini's Barbieri di Seviglia Overture. Where the woodwinds come in to do their second pa pa pa PAdam, pa pa pa PAdam

Re: [9fans] edit -- a new acme(4) file

> A quick-and-dirty patch to acme that introduces 'edit', a new acme(4) > file, to which Edit commands can be written. [...] > > Comments welcome. *Arrr* I love it. Always wanted an edit-file, makes acme even more powerful. patch(1) :-D ? > I am planning to port this to Acme > SAC Excuse me, W

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

shoenberg's "Style and Idea" is a good reference. he had lots of both, and knew how to distill them. none of his music had ifdefs in it. brucee On 11/15/06, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: touché. but i thought that was implied, since networking (e.g.) in unix is clearly misguided.

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

touché. but i thought that was implied, since networking (e.g.) in unix is clearly misguided. also, what makes an operating system is not correctness, but style. - erik On Tue Nov 14 13:21:45 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i thought the point of plan 9 was to be different. > > No, th

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Berlioz recounts his first sighting of orchestral velum. "oh what wonderful music can be written on this ..." I had a similar reaction when I first sat in front of a blit, and rob couldn't drag me away from it. 23 years later I still embrace the simplicity. A UI that isn't in your face. I'd ba

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

> i thought the point of plan 9 was to be different. No, the point of plan 9 is to be right. Sape

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/14/06, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > who said we have to be like the rest of the world. i thought the > point of plan 9 was to be different. the rest of the world uses sockets > and nfs, too. ;-) ;-) taken :-) we have to

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue Nov 14 08:27:03 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * erik quanstrom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > isn't that a bit of an overreaction? readline is tens of kloc. but it has it's > > benefits. how else would a linux user learn how

Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/14/06, Martin Neubauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not quite convinced of the merit of that behaviour. The most direct > consequence is that it makes sam inconsistent with acme and rio windows. But maybe rio and acme are w

Re: [9fans] sc2006

Sometimes Google dreams ... where there is smoke ... http://www.chunder.com/ski/lightanim.html I got very wet waiting for the moment. Unfortunately the blue gum in forefront got zapped by the next storm and I wasn't there. Fell on a nice new house demonstarting that its roof wasn't well constr

Re: [9fans] who what where?

that's you in the plane, don't meddle in the mouth! apparently Mark V. Shaney spent an interesting evening with a grain of salt. nice prop shot, faster shutter than mine. i'll probably be yelling at people about my lost luggage, again. brucee On 11/15/06, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

you're telling the UI to replace the current text with a backspace, and as such the behaviour makes perfect sense :) Also don't forget what selecting text and hitting Backspace does… Under Windows and lunix I've found myself selecting text, hitting backspace—then hitting backspace again to dele

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

You really care about _threadinitstack (386.c) and setjmp(2). "tos" means top of stack. That's what I was looking for; thanks. --Joel

Re: [9fans] who what where?

Yes, I was thinking about DYC (the bottom of whiskys ranking in the world). Paul, I don't know anything about hotels in Madrid: I'm living here for 30 years ago... if I go to an hotel, it's out of Madrid ;). Of course, if you drink DYC with Bruce, you won't need Taj Mahal when sleep time comes. Ahm

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

On 11/14/06, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: might want to also checkout Russ' libtask (at swtch.com). That'll be more useful later, when I'm working on the scheduling. I was asking about stack creation though; my professor gave us sample code for use under Linux (very similar to l

Re: [9fans] who what where?

You can drink spanish whisky too (be carefull). Try "oreja a la plancha" too.2006/11/14, Paul Lalonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1On 14-Nov-06, at 1:26 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: > i'll be in madrid for a week.  others will be.  we should collaborate> glenda strange

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Sorry, that was supposed to be private. Wes Kussmaul wrote: Ron, you are the missing link between rational programming and montaigne-ism (living with the living.) Are you swinging by here on your way back from Tampa? Wes But maybe rio and acme are wrong. I guess we can worry about intern

Re: [9fans] who what where?

>> Oreja a la plancha is good (pork ear cooked over a hot iron). i wonder if they sell it at this event? too bad it is on the day i arrive. i might try it though. anyone interested? http://www.fio.es/aviso.htm

Re: [9fans] who what where?

On 11/14/06, elbing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can drink spanish whisky too (be carefull). Try "oreja a la plancha" too. Spanish whisky?, I wouldn't, because the only thing coming to mind is DyC which is like bad alcohol for the wounds watered down. Oreja a la plancha is good (pork ear coo

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

* ron minnich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 11/14/06, Martin Neubauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I'm not quite convinced of the merit of that behaviour. The most direct > >consequence is that it makes sam inconsistent with acme and rio windows. > > But maybe rio and acme are wro

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Perhaps you long for a line printer and ^j and ^k or have played too much nethack :) Using up arrow and down arrow to scroll is IMHO (eventually) a better plan. Jumping around the text based on the length of the lines and where the nearest \r is seems odd now. If I have a long line of wrappe

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Ron, you are the missing link between rational programming and montaigne-ism (living with the living.) Are you swinging by here on your way back from Tampa? Wes But maybe rio and acme are wrong. I guess we can worry about internal consistency in plan 9, but fact is, in the rest of the know

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

* ron minnich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >this is a goofy argument. i haven't seen "we've always done it this > >way" trotted out as an argument. perhaps i missed it. > > "If you change sam this way, it's inconsistent with rio and acme". > > reads to me like > "But it's always worked this way

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On Tue Nov 14 08:27:03 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * erik quanstrom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > isn't that a bit of an overreaction? readline is tens of kloc. but it has > > it's > > benefits. how else would a linux user learn how to reboot a cpu server. ??? for those who don't kn

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

* erik quanstrom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > isn't that a bit of an overreaction? readline is tens of kloc. but it has > it's > benefits. how else would a linux user learn how to reboot a cpu server. ??? I'm just inherently pessimistic... Martin

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: who said we have to be like the rest of the world. i thought the point of plan 9 was to be different. the rest of the world uses sockets and nfs, too. ;-) ;-) taken :-) we have to be, not just different, but better. Some aspects of Plan

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On Tue Nov 14 08:25:37 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I guess we can worry about internal consistency in plan 9, but fact > is, in the rest of the known universe, uparrow goes up a line, > downarrow goes down, they move the cursor. who said we have to be like the rest of the world. i though

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

Newthread is creating a bunch of data structures. You really care about _threadinitstack (386.c) and setjmp(2). "tos" means top of stack. Russ

Re: [9fans] who what where?

On 14-Nov-06, at 8:39 AM, elbing wrote:Of course, if you drink DYC with Bruce, you won't need Taj Mahal when sleep time comes. Although, given that the Taj Mahal is a mausoleum, that might be more appropriate than the hotel!Ahm, about spanish beer: it has too much CO2 (heh).2006/11/14, Gorka guardi

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

On 11/14/06, Gorka guardiola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Take a look also at the messages about the stack I originated in 9fans not very long (a year?) ago. Once you understand how the stack works, things should be smoother. Found it: , and am printing the th

Re: [9fans] who what where?

"Ear to the floor"?  That sounds like it's for later in the evening!On 14-Nov-06, at 7:07 AM, elbing wrote:You can drink spanish whisky too (be carefull). Try "oreja a la plancha" too.2006/11/14, Paul Lalonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1On 14-Nov-06, at 1:26 AM,

Re: [9fans] who what where?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14-Nov-06, at 1:26 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: i'll be in madrid for a week. others will be. we should collaborate glenda strangers speaking bad spanish (e.g. me). i can't hang out too much longer, i have to preside my sister's wedding, and a day

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Hello, I'm not quite convinced of the merit of that behaviour. The most direct consequence is that it makes sam inconsistent with acme and rio windows. While acme could be altered analogously, as soon as you've arrived at rio, you're halfway to readline. I'm not sure anybody would want that. Besid

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Well, I am a long time vi user :) I do understand why Plan9 is mouse-based, I plan on picking up a copy of 'Tog on Interface', it's just the behavior of the up/down keys were too jarring for me and page up/down does the same thing anyways. I don't use acme, but for rio windows making the up/down

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On Tue Nov 14 08:45:16 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 11/14/06, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > who said we have to be like the rest of the world. i thought the > > point of plan 9 was to be different. the rest of the world uses sockets > > and nfs, too. ;-) > > ;-) tak

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On 11/14/06, Martin Neubauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I'm not quite convinced of the merit of that behaviour. The most direct consequence is that it makes sam inconsistent with acme and rio windows. But maybe rio and acme are wrong. I guess we can worry about internal consistency in

Re: [9fans] who what where?

Well, we organizers do... On 11/14/06, elbing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nobody speaks good spanish here :p. 2006/11/14, Bruce Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > i'll be in madrid for a week. others will be. we should collaborate > glenda strangers speaking bad spanish (e.g. me). -- - curiosity

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

On Tue Nov 14 05:52:07 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not quite convinced of the merit of that behaviour. The most direct > consequence is that it makes sam inconsistent with acme and rio windows. that never stopped rob. > While acme could be altered analogously, as soon as

Re: [9fans] sc2006

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Re: [9fans] who what where?

Nobody speaks good spanish here :p.2006/11/14, Bruce Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: i'll be in madrid for a week.  others will be.  we should collaborateglenda strangers speaking bad spanish (e.g. me).i can't hang out too much longer, i  have to preside my sister'swedding, and a day to get ovet jet-lag

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

And while you discuss it, don't forget that Home and End are also different in plan9 in that they refer to the document not the current line. Also don't forget what selecting text and hitting Backspace does… Under Windows and lunix I've found myself selecting text, hitting backspace—then hittin

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

Take a look at the implementation of set_jmp and long_jmp in assembler. Take a look also at the messages about the stack I originated in 9fans not very long (a year?) ago. Once you understand how the stack works, things should be smoother. On 11/14/06, Joel Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > W

Re: [9fans] sc2006

just avoid the brown acid ... we're not saying it's poison, but ... http://www.chunder.com/groovy/groovy.html brucee On 11/14/06, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "But, grandpa, that's just a rabbit. - erik On Mon Nov 13 18:23:25 EST 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 13-Nov-06, at

[9fans] who what where?

i'll be in madrid for a week. others will be. we should collaborate glenda strangers speaking bad spanish (e.g. me). i can't hang out too much longer, i have to preside my sister's wedding, and a day to get ovet jet-lag. rev brucee

Re: [9fans] Creating a custom jmp_buf; libthread implementation question

I think you are lost, and not many people want to do your homework. brucee On 11/14/06, Joel Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where in libthread does the stack get set up, and could somebody > please give me a high-level overview of what the code is doing? Specifically, in create.c, what i